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I am done. I did my part, wore masks (sometimes double masks,) three shots of vaccines and took all reasonable precautions that a sane person could do. But ther

by Bhilai 5y ago

I am done. I did my part, wore masks (sometimes double masks,) three shots of vaccines and took all reasonable precautions that a sane person could do. But there are still unmasked people and unvaccinated people (sure, blame me for putting everyone in this binary category) and I am done caring about this class of people. I could not see my family for two years due to one or the other international travel restrictions. I am done being a respectful citizen who does their duty towards society. There are "experts" on all sides providing conflicting science mixed with opinions and research keeps changing every few weeks. Call it an endemic and do away with all the mandates they are yet another source for causing division by the political class. Sorry about this fatalist and flippant tone.

xattt 5y ago
What’s your perspective on small kids too young to be vaccinated?
- ryan93 5y ago
  zero risk of death from covid
  - Freak_NL 5y ago
    Not zero, but so incredibly low as not to be matter for concern in terms of risk assessment. One of the few upsides of this pandemic is that young children are the least affected, and with vaccines available for ages 5 and up this risk is well mitigated for older children (teens in particular).
Izkata 5y ago
> and I am done caring about this class of people. And their response will be "Finally! This is all we've wanted this entire time!" I don't think most here understand just how much "this class of people" value freedom over safety.
- rajup 5y ago
  You say that like it’s a bad thing
- aldebran 5y ago
  I don’t think they value freedom. I think it’s mostly a cult following. People made their decision then looked for reasons to support it.
  - jaywalk 5y ago
    This type of thinking is the core of the problem. Both sides ascribe the worst to the other. "They're just too stupid to realize why I'm right!" Get off your high horse.
    - aldebran 5y ago
      Why do you think I’m on a high horse? People complaining about masks taking away freedom don’t seem to be rioting about freedom of drinking and driving as an example. I’m all for freedom. Heck I donate to EFF and ACLU annually. I’m also for personal responsibility when it affects others as we live in a society.
- MagnumOpus 5y ago
  - ErikVandeWater 5y ago
    Are you equally critical of the obese? Or those who ride motorcycles on the highway? As someone who is vaxxed, I struggle to see how the harm done by the unvaccinated is categorically worse than the risks taken by others at society's expense. I imagine you have none of the disdain for motorcycle riders that you do for the unvaccinated. Edit: For those replying to my comment, please note the comment I replied to listed the cost of hospitalization and the crowding out of ICU beds for others as costs society has to bear; if you are crowded out of an ICU bed, whether it be from someone who is unvaccinated or someone who is obese, you are dead nonetheless.
hatware 5y ago
> But there are still unmasked people and unvaccinated people I'm not sure how you're convinced it's only the unmasked or unvaccinated people that are responsible for the spread of the virus at this point. In many countries they are not allowed to go anywhere. How is the virus crossing oceans so quickly if the unvaccinated are unable to cross borders?
- pedrosorio 5y ago
  > if the unvaccinated are unable to cross borders? Unless regulations across the world have changed drastically in the last couple of weeks, this is just false.
  - scohesc 5y ago
    If you're Canadian, you're not allowed to leave the country if you're not vaccinated. https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/domestic-travel https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/domest... - the part specifically about "You need to be vaccinated to travel in and out of Canada" They've made it a requirement to be vaccinated to use any form of federally regulated transportation - plane, train, boat - personal vehicles are the last option, but good luck trying to drive on the pacific ocean since you're not allowed to enter the US unvaccinated either AFAIK.
    - pedrosorio 5y ago
      Thanks for the info, but nothing in the thread I was responding to gave me the impression the GP was referring exclusively to Canada when they said: “How is the virus crossing oceans so quickly if the unvaccinated are unable to cross borders?” > but good luck trying to drive on the pacific ocean since you're not allowed to enter the US unvaccinated either AFAIK Until 5 days ago you could: https://www.forbes.com/sites/sandramacgregor/2022/01/24/canadians-must-now-be-fully-vaccinated-to-travel-to-us-via-border/amp/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/sandramacgregor/2022/01/24/cana...
      - hatware 5y ago
giraffe_lady 5y ago
How do you feel about people who are vaccinated but will still likely have permanent serious consequences or shortened life span due to a "mild" infection? I'm in this category and it doesn't seem particularly rare. Rarely accounted for in these "I am done" type posts though.
- rajup 5y ago
  Ok but what do you propose though? The vaccinated still spread COVID granted at a lesser rate. A permanent mask mandate? COVID is not going away.
  - pohl 5y ago
    The idea of cooking food stayed. Sanitation stayed. The practice of washing hands stayed. Refrigeration of food stayed. Why the heck shouldn't the use masks stay?
    - xboxnolifes 5y ago
      Last I checked, people generally enjoy cooked food more, there isn't a washing hands mandate (outside of certain workplace), no fridge mandate (and it comes with strict benefits of longer lasting food).
    - topher515 5y ago
      I don't understand this position. Are you honestly proposing that we permanently require masks in all public, indoor environments? For the rest of our lives? I don't see how you can flippantly propose this as an option. How can you be ok with wearing masks for the rest of your life—if it can at all be avoided?
  - giraffe_lady 5y ago
    Then we should adapt to it in ways that preserve life? Cholera didn't go away either we just have sewers and wash our hands a lot now. I'm not a medical or public health expert, it's not up to me to figure it out. But to start with, the idea that you can be "done" because you've already done "enough" and experienced inconvenience and made sacrifices needs to go. People need more from each other still, sorry!
neaden 5y ago
Well hope you don't need to be hospitalized for any other reason then because the beds might be full, there probably won't be enough providers because of burn out, and costs will be going up. We are nearing a collapse of our medical system in a way that people don't seem to be recognizing or doing anything about.
- renewiltord 5y ago
  Nearing collapse, are we? Predict the time of collapse and define “collapse”. I will take a 1:1 $10k bet for the other side if it’s soon enough and reasonable enough. Soon enough and reasonable enough and I’ll raise it to $100k. $10k is enough for you to medical tourism to the third world. $100k is enough for you to medical tourism to many parts of the first world. So I think this is fair.
galfarragem 5y ago
> But there are still unmasked people and unvaccinated people and I am done caring about this class of people. Humm, I wish it was that clear. I'm from Portugal, one of the countries with higher vax rate (anti-vax movement here is negligible) and a few days ago we were on world top 5 for new infections. Disclaimer: I'm fully vaccinated. However I respect who isn't.
- PerfectElement 5y ago
  New infections is not a very relevant metric at this point.
01100011 5y ago
Agreed, and we just lost my wife's grandma to Covid. She could have been fine but that part of the family swallowed the anti-vax lie. My wife's aunt almost died from Covid. They should have known better too, having lost a brother in Vietnam to Covid, but the Trumpian lies had a stronger hold on them. We do still need to think about the people who can't get vaxxed for medical reasons. My sister has MS and has been on immunosuppressants which prevented her from getting it. Thankfully she took a break and got vaxxed because now she has covid. If we get to, say, April without a serious spike in the death rate, I think the protocols will be rolled back. That assumes we don't see a new variant but it looks like the variants are getting less serious, not more.
- Pungsnigel 5y ago
  "Trumpian lies"? Trump is actively promoting vaccination.
- theandrewbailey 5y ago
  > Trumpian lies Trump supports the vaccines that he helped fund and create. https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/24/politics/trump-covid-vaccine-republicans-polling/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/24/politics/trump-covid-vaccine-...
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by Bhilai 5y ago

xattt 5y ago

What’s your perspective on small kids too young to be vaccinated?

ryan93 5y ago
zero risk of death from covid
- Freak_NL 5y ago
  Not zero, but so incredibly low as not to be matter for concern in terms of risk assessment. One of the few upsides of this pandemic is that young children are the least affected, and with vaccines available for ages 5 and up this risk is well mitigated for older children (teens in particular).

Izkata 5y ago

> and I am done caring about this class of people. And their response will be "Finally! This is all we've wanted this entire time!" I don't think most here understand just how much "this class of people" value freedom over safety.

rajup 5y ago
You say that like it’s a bad thing
aldebran 5y ago
I don’t think they value freedom. I think it’s mostly a cult following. People made their decision then looked for reasons to support it.
- jaywalk 5y ago
  This type of thinking is the core of the problem. Both sides ascribe the worst to the other. "They're just too stupid to realize why I'm right!" Get off your high horse.
  - aldebran 5y ago
    Why do you think I’m on a high horse? People complaining about masks taking away freedom don’t seem to be rioting about freedom of drinking and driving as an example. I’m all for freedom. Heck I donate to EFF and ACLU annually. I’m also for personal responsibility when it affects others as we live in a society.
MagnumOpus 5y ago
- ErikVandeWater 5y ago
  Are you equally critical of the obese? Or those who ride motorcycles on the highway? As someone who is vaxxed, I struggle to see how the harm done by the unvaccinated is categorically worse than the risks taken by others at society's expense. I imagine you have none of the disdain for motorcycle riders that you do for the unvaccinated. Edit: For those replying to my comment, please note the comment I replied to listed the cost of hospitalization and the crowding out of ICU beds for others as costs society has to bear; if you are crowded out of an ICU bed, whether it be from someone who is unvaccinated or someone who is obese, you are dead nonetheless.

hatware 5y ago

> But there are still unmasked people and unvaccinated people I'm not sure how you're convinced it's only the unmasked or unvaccinated people that are responsible for the spread of the virus at this point. In many countries they are not allowed to go anywhere. How is the virus crossing oceans so quickly if the unvaccinated are unable to cross borders?

pedrosorio 5y ago
> if the unvaccinated are unable to cross borders? Unless regulations across the world have changed drastically in the last couple of weeks, this is just false.
- scohesc 5y ago
  If you're Canadian, you're not allowed to leave the country if you're not vaccinated. https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/domestic-travel https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/domest... - the part specifically about "You need to be vaccinated to travel in and out of Canada" They've made it a requirement to be vaccinated to use any form of federally regulated transportation - plane, train, boat - personal vehicles are the last option, but good luck trying to drive on the pacific ocean since you're not allowed to enter the US unvaccinated either AFAIK.
  - pedrosorio 5y ago
    Thanks for the info, but nothing in the thread I was responding to gave me the impression the GP was referring exclusively to Canada when they said: “How is the virus crossing oceans so quickly if the unvaccinated are unable to cross borders?” > but good luck trying to drive on the pacific ocean since you're not allowed to enter the US unvaccinated either AFAIK Until 5 days ago you could: https://www.forbes.com/sites/sandramacgregor/2022/01/24/canadians-must-now-be-fully-vaccinated-to-travel-to-us-via-border/amp/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/sandramacgregor/2022/01/24/cana...
    - hatware 5y ago

giraffe_lady 5y ago

How do you feel about people who are vaccinated but will still likely have permanent serious consequences or shortened life span due to a "mild" infection? I'm in this category and it doesn't seem particularly rare. Rarely accounted for in these "I am done" type posts though.

rajup 5y ago
Ok but what do you propose though? The vaccinated still spread COVID granted at a lesser rate. A permanent mask mandate? COVID is not going away.
- pohl 5y ago
  The idea of cooking food stayed. Sanitation stayed. The practice of washing hands stayed. Refrigeration of food stayed. Why the heck shouldn't the use masks stay?
  - xboxnolifes 5y ago
    Last I checked, people generally enjoy cooked food more, there isn't a washing hands mandate (outside of certain workplace), no fridge mandate (and it comes with strict benefits of longer lasting food).
  - topher515 5y ago
    I don't understand this position. Are you honestly proposing that we permanently require masks in all public, indoor environments? For the rest of our lives? I don't see how you can flippantly propose this as an option. How can you be ok with wearing masks for the rest of your life—if it can at all be avoided?
- giraffe_lady 5y ago
  Then we should adapt to it in ways that preserve life? Cholera didn't go away either we just have sewers and wash our hands a lot now. I'm not a medical or public health expert, it's not up to me to figure it out. But to start with, the idea that you can be "done" because you've already done "enough" and experienced inconvenience and made sacrifices needs to go. People need more from each other still, sorry!

neaden 5y ago

Well hope you don't need to be hospitalized for any other reason then because the beds might be full, there probably won't be enough providers because of burn out, and costs will be going up. We are nearing a collapse of our medical system in a way that people don't seem to be recognizing or doing anything about.

renewiltord 5y ago
Nearing collapse, are we? Predict the time of collapse and define “collapse”. I will take a 1:1 $10k bet for the other side if it’s soon enough and reasonable enough. Soon enough and reasonable enough and I’ll raise it to $100k. $10k is enough for you to medical tourism to the third world. $100k is enough for you to medical tourism to many parts of the first world. So I think this is fair.

galfarragem 5y ago

> But there are still unmasked people and unvaccinated people and I am done caring about this class of people. Humm, I wish it was that clear. I'm from Portugal, one of the countries with higher vax rate (anti-vax movement here is negligible) and a few days ago we were on world top 5 for new infections. Disclaimer: I'm fully vaccinated. However I respect who isn't.

PerfectElement 5y ago
New infections is not a very relevant metric at this point.

01100011 5y ago

Agreed, and we just lost my wife's grandma to Covid. She could have been fine but that part of the family swallowed the anti-vax lie. My wife's aunt almost died from Covid. They should have known better too, having lost a brother in Vietnam to Covid, but the Trumpian lies had a stronger hold on them. We do still need to think about the people who can't get vaxxed for medical reasons. My sister has MS and has been on immunosuppressants which prevented her from getting it. Thankfully she took a break and got vaxxed because now she has covid. If we get to, say, April without a serious spike in the death rate, I think the protocols will be rolled back. That assumes we don't see a new variant but it looks like the variants are getting less serious, not more.

Pungsnigel 5y ago
"Trumpian lies"? Trump is actively promoting vaccination.
theandrewbailey 5y ago
> Trumpian lies Trump supports the vaccines that he helped fund and create. https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/24/politics/trump-covid-vaccine-republicans-polling/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/24/politics/trump-covid-vaccine-...

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