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I respectfully disagree. It is patient's right to refuse any medical procedure. A mere suspicion, impression that doctors are not treating life and health of t

I respectfully disagree. It is patient's right to refuse any medical procedure. A mere suspicion, impression that doctors are not treating life and health of this particular patient with all sainctity will do a lot more harm than good. I mean, life is precious, doctors should know this best and act like it is. Recklessness even in words will do a lot of harm. A lot of credit will be lost if standards slip even a little bit. I know this very well because people around me are not vaccinated yet because they are suspicious of Sputnik-V. Yes, this is reality where I live. People are suspicious and refusing a life-saving procedure.

andrepew 5y ago
I don't think the OP disagrees with you. The patients who don't get the experimental treatment didn't refuse the experimental treatment -- they were never offered it at all which is the problem. The ethics and regulatory red tape kills any hope for such a treatment before patient consent is even a question.
_dain_ 5y ago
>It is patient's right to refuse any medical procedure. The problem is not that they can't say "no", it's that they can't say "yes".
radu_floricica 5y ago
This is risking another rant, but I'll hold. Keeping things short - authorities lied their asses off for the whole pandemic, and this is what (legitimately) destroyed trust. People are a lot less stupid than usually given credit for - sure, they can't always do the research themselves, but they do know to look around and orient them in complex situations. And it got pretty obvious pretty soon that the official message was not about the truth, but about getting the "correct" response. Which turned out to be a lot less precise and correct in practice. So yeah, now you get people mistrusting vaccines because you can't get them to trust anything. The longer response would be that public institutions should be forbidden to use Simulacra Levels over 1 (https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/qDmnyEMtJkE9Wrpau/simulacra-levels-and-their-interactions https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/qDmnyEMtJkE9Wrpau/simulacra-...)

andrepew 5y ago

I don't think the OP disagrees with you. The patients who don't get the experimental treatment didn't refuse the experimental treatment -- they were never offered it at all which is the problem. The ethics and regulatory red tape kills any hope for such a treatment before patient consent is even a question.

_dain_ 5y ago

>It is patient's right to refuse any medical procedure. The problem is not that they can't say "no", it's that they can't say "yes".

radu_floricica 5y ago

This is risking another rant, but I'll hold. Keeping things short - authorities lied their asses off for the whole pandemic, and this is what (legitimately) destroyed trust. People are a lot less stupid than usually given credit for - sure, they can't always do the research themselves, but they do know to look around and orient them in complex situations. And it got pretty obvious pretty soon that the official message was not about the truth, but about getting the "correct" response. Which turned out to be a lot less precise and correct in practice. So yeah, now you get people mistrusting vaccines because you can't get them to trust anything. The longer response would be that public institutions should be forbidden to use Simulacra Levels over 1 (https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/qDmnyEMtJkE9Wrpau/simulacra-levels-and-their-interactions https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/qDmnyEMtJkE9Wrpau/simulacra-...)