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I doubt that. Consider no one was vaccinated and 1% of humans would need medication because of a "serious" case. Then the medicine would need to be 100x more ex

I doubt that. Consider no one was vaccinated and 1% of humans would need medication because of a "serious" case. Then the medicine would need to be 100x more expensive than the vaccine considering the alternative is everyone was vaccinated. Now consider many people got 3 or even 4 shots. It's 300x-400x now. Also you can give the medicine to already vaccinated people that also have serious cases. So you still can sell it in a lower capacity. Also you can sell both vaccines and medicine to states in large batches which is great. It's a big golden goose for the pharma industry.. let's never forget that.

yucky 5y ago
Fortunately we can trust that they aren't using any of those billions they have made to manipulate public opinion on the issue, because that would be immoral and therefore off limits.
- fileeditview 5y ago
  Thank god!
- peter422 5y ago
  It’s literally a miracle drug for a virus that is killing thousands of people a day, that likely will work for all variants. Can you stop complaining for one second about the price and acknowledge that it is amazing that they invented it?
  - soperj 5y ago
    Oddest part about it is that they invented it in 2018.
    - jbd28 5y ago
      What's your source on that little nugget
      - soperj 5y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirmatrelvir https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirmatrelvir It was invented for a cat coronavirus in 2018.
bryanlarsen 5y ago
Pavloxid works best if you use it at symptom onset, so it should be used on all symptomatic infections, not just serious cases.
sudosysgen 5y ago
The medicine is not indicated to be given to serious cases. It is indicated for use as soon as possible, when you have your first symptom. Right now this isn't the case because there aren't enough to go around, but this is the premise of the trials, so this is how they will be sold. People also get COVID more than once.
- Hamuko 5y ago
  So basically they're expecting everyone to have a pack in their medicine cabinet, next to the aspirin and bandages?
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    Well, given they're selling it for thousands of dollars, I think not.
    - Hamuko 5y ago
      Wait, if it costs thousand of dollars, isn't it basically automatically going to be going only for the serious cases?
      - sudosysgen 5y ago
        No, because it's priced so that the expected cost of untreated illness is still going to be higher. Hospitalization is very very expensive! Also, they will probably be bought in bulk by the government and negotiated down by insurance companies to less than a thousand dollars per treatment,
        Hamuko 5y ago
        But doesn't it still rely on a person getting early symptoms of COVID-19 seeking medical aid? I can't really imagine someone developing a cough and then immediately heading to their physician to get their antiviral pills.
xscott 5y ago
> Then the medicine would need to be 100x [300x-400x] more expensive than the vaccine I'm not suggesting this is true, but it would need to be 100x-400x more profitable, and that includes cost to make and store as well as the price is charged. Maybe making mRNA vaccines costs much more than a simpler molecule like Paxlovid [0], and hospitals generally seem to charge much more than the over the counter price for everything. You've seen horror stories about $25 aspirin [1] which is easily 400x more expensive than the penny per pill cost of 500 tablets in a $5 bottle [2]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirmatrelvir https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirmatrelvir [1] https://www.healthcarefinancenews.com/blog/why-aspirin-taken-hospital-can-cost-upwards-25 https://www.healthcarefinancenews.com/blog/why-aspirin-taken... [2] https://amazon.com/Basic-Care-Aspirin-Regular-Strength/dp/B0779D4BTN https://amazon.com/Basic-Care-Aspirin-Regular-Strength/dp/B0...
- fileeditview 5y ago
  This is what i meant (profitable). Sorry bad translation. However their vaccine research was highly funded by states (at least here in Germany and I suspect everywhere else too) so.. not sure how easy it would be to calculate all of that.
  - xscott 5y ago
    That's another subtlety. They've already been funded to make the mRNA vaccine, so maybe that has been milked dry and it's time to move on to the next profitable cow. Obviously I'm just speculating that it's possible.

yucky 5y ago

Fortunately we can trust that they aren't using any of those billions they have made to manipulate public opinion on the issue, because that would be immoral and therefore off limits.

fileeditview 5y ago
Thank god!
peter422 5y ago
It’s literally a miracle drug for a virus that is killing thousands of people a day, that likely will work for all variants. Can you stop complaining for one second about the price and acknowledge that it is amazing that they invented it?
- soperj 5y ago
  Oddest part about it is that they invented it in 2018.
  - jbd28 5y ago
    What's your source on that little nugget
    - soperj 5y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirmatrelvir https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirmatrelvir It was invented for a cat coronavirus in 2018.

bryanlarsen 5y ago

Pavloxid works best if you use it at symptom onset, so it should be used on all symptomatic infections, not just serious cases.

sudosysgen 5y ago

The medicine is not indicated to be given to serious cases. It is indicated for use as soon as possible, when you have your first symptom. Right now this isn't the case because there aren't enough to go around, but this is the premise of the trials, so this is how they will be sold. People also get COVID more than once.

Hamuko 5y ago
So basically they're expecting everyone to have a pack in their medicine cabinet, next to the aspirin and bandages?
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  Well, given they're selling it for thousands of dollars, I think not.
  - Hamuko 5y ago
    Wait, if it costs thousand of dollars, isn't it basically automatically going to be going only for the serious cases?
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      No, because it's priced so that the expected cost of untreated illness is still going to be higher. Hospitalization is very very expensive! Also, they will probably be bought in bulk by the government and negotiated down by insurance companies to less than a thousand dollars per treatment,
      - Hamuko 5y ago
        But doesn't it still rely on a person getting early symptoms of COVID-19 seeking medical aid? I can't really imagine someone developing a cough and then immediately heading to their physician to get their antiviral pills.

xscott 5y ago

> Then the medicine would need to be 100x [300x-400x] more expensive than the vaccine I'm not suggesting this is true, but it would need to be 100x-400x more profitable, and that includes cost to make and store as well as the price is charged. Maybe making mRNA vaccines costs much more than a simpler molecule like Paxlovid [0], and hospitals generally seem to charge much more than the over the counter price for everything. You've seen horror stories about $25 aspirin [1] which is easily 400x more expensive than the penny per pill cost of 500 tablets in a $5 bottle [2]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirmatrelvir https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirmatrelvir [1] https://www.healthcarefinancenews.com/blog/why-aspirin-taken-hospital-can-cost-upwards-25 https://www.healthcarefinancenews.com/blog/why-aspirin-taken... [2] https://amazon.com/Basic-Care-Aspirin-Regular-Strength/dp/B0779D4BTN https://amazon.com/Basic-Care-Aspirin-Regular-Strength/dp/B0...

fileeditview 5y ago
This is what i meant (profitable). Sorry bad translation. However their vaccine research was highly funded by states (at least here in Germany and I suspect everywhere else too) so.. not sure how easy it would be to calculate all of that.
- xscott 5y ago
  That's another subtlety. They've already been funded to make the mRNA vaccine, so maybe that has been milked dry and it's time to move on to the next profitable cow. Obviously I'm just speculating that it's possible.