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Shutting down cryptocurrencies so the planet can live a bit longer sounds really good.

fleddr 5y ago
Agree. Let's also ban giant TVs, large cars, PC gaming rigs, ACs, dryers, cheap air travel and subsidized international transport to deliver our cheap garbage. It's all excessive and can't be justified, given the doom ahead.
- hannasanarion 5y ago
  Those things are all useful. In 13 years blockchain still hasn't found a use aside from speculation and crime, and it consumes more power than 182 entire countries to process 1/10,000th the transactions of Visa.
  - fleddr 5y ago
    Thanks for falling for the bait. You think a 75" inch TV is useful and its massive energy use is fine, just because you said it is. Personally, I think 55" should be the maximum. After that, you can't in any way justify utility and clearly don't give a damn about the planet. People have a house full of electronics and fluff. The footprint of an American household would require 8 planets if everybody lived this way and yet people are so eager to preach about their "care" for the planet. Clearly this 700% overshoot in footprint is not to be messed with, these are your "basics", because they are "useful". Let's just ensure that the rest of the world doesn't embrace these "useful" things, right? You don't care. At all. You only care when it's easy. When you see a monster truck, you want it banned. Because you don't have a giant car and they are ridiculous. But there's hardly any cars like that so it does nothing. If you'd truly care about outcomes, you'd be in favor of banning things that move the needle. Which means all the things I mentioned. And suddenly nobody cares for the planet anymore. It's all performative.
    - hannasanarion 5y ago
      Ordering and enjoying a slightly larger cheeseburger isn't the same as buying up an entire country's meat supply and dumping it in the ocean because it makes imaginary number go up.
      - fleddr 5y ago
        You're not ordering a slightly larger hamburger, you're structurally consuming 8 times more than a sustainable level. Keep deflecting.
        hannasanarion 5y ago
        "keep deflecting" says the guy who wrote a whole-ass essay about TVs to change the subject away from the total uselessness of blockchain.
        fleddr 5y ago
        Did you just assume my gender?
- lpcvoid 5y ago
  For large cars and subsidized air travel I absolutely agree. The rest has value. Unlike cryptocurrency.
  - fleddr 5y ago
    Value justifies nothing. I live in a cold climate. My neighbor recently installed an outdoor hot tub, as well as outdoor heat lamps. In the midst of winter, clearly this guy is having the time of his life. It has value to him. I would hope that you agree that this is an excessive consumption of resources and that the personal notion of value means nothing. Because it means that everybody just cherry picks "value" and conveniently calls for the banning of everything that they did not pick. That's why perhaps an emission based tax is the way to go. Everybody can continue to self-optimize "value", but you're going to pay for energy suckers, regardless of what it is, a 75" TV or Bitcoin. This creates the proper incentive in both consumption and production.
    - lpcvoid 5y ago
      We can discuss proper taxation of things all day, but in the end it's way faster to simply outlaw the outliers of wastefulness. And I'm sorry but a "currency" which uses multiple countries worth of energy for a handful of transactions a second is just absolutely atrocious, no matter on what scale of reference you look at it.
      - fleddr 5y ago
        Glad we agree to ban the outliers of wastefulness.
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ricochet11 5y ago
the planet is fine, humans and our way of life maybe not... but imo shutting down cryptocurrencies will do absolutely nothing to change our course. maybe global, borderless, coordination and communication tools could be very useful though...

Agree. Let's also ban giant TVs, large cars, PC gaming rigs, ACs, dryers, cheap air travel and subsidized international transport to deliver our cheap garbage. It's all excessive and can't be justified, given the doom ahead.

hannasanarion 5y ago
Those things are all useful. In 13 years blockchain still hasn't found a use aside from speculation and crime, and it consumes more power than 182 entire countries to process 1/10,000th the transactions of Visa.
- fleddr 5y ago
  Thanks for falling for the bait. You think a 75" inch TV is useful and its massive energy use is fine, just because you said it is. Personally, I think 55" should be the maximum. After that, you can't in any way justify utility and clearly don't give a damn about the planet. People have a house full of electronics and fluff. The footprint of an American household would require 8 planets if everybody lived this way and yet people are so eager to preach about their "care" for the planet. Clearly this 700% overshoot in footprint is not to be messed with, these are your "basics", because they are "useful". Let's just ensure that the rest of the world doesn't embrace these "useful" things, right? You don't care. At all. You only care when it's easy. When you see a monster truck, you want it banned. Because you don't have a giant car and they are ridiculous. But there's hardly any cars like that so it does nothing. If you'd truly care about outcomes, you'd be in favor of banning things that move the needle. Which means all the things I mentioned. And suddenly nobody cares for the planet anymore. It's all performative.
  - hannasanarion 5y ago
    Ordering and enjoying a slightly larger cheeseburger isn't the same as buying up an entire country's meat supply and dumping it in the ocean because it makes imaginary number go up.
    - fleddr 5y ago
      You're not ordering a slightly larger hamburger, you're structurally consuming 8 times more than a sustainable level. Keep deflecting.
      - hannasanarion 5y ago
        "keep deflecting" says the guy who wrote a whole-ass essay about TVs to change the subject away from the total uselessness of blockchain.
        fleddr 5y ago
        Did you just assume my gender?
lpcvoid 5y ago
For large cars and subsidized air travel I absolutely agree. The rest has value. Unlike cryptocurrency.
- fleddr 5y ago
  Value justifies nothing. I live in a cold climate. My neighbor recently installed an outdoor hot tub, as well as outdoor heat lamps. In the midst of winter, clearly this guy is having the time of his life. It has value to him. I would hope that you agree that this is an excessive consumption of resources and that the personal notion of value means nothing. Because it means that everybody just cherry picks "value" and conveniently calls for the banning of everything that they did not pick. That's why perhaps an emission based tax is the way to go. Everybody can continue to self-optimize "value", but you're going to pay for energy suckers, regardless of what it is, a 75" TV or Bitcoin. This creates the proper incentive in both consumption and production.
  - lpcvoid 5y ago
    We can discuss proper taxation of things all day, but in the end it's way faster to simply outlaw the outliers of wastefulness. And I'm sorry but a "currency" which uses multiple countries worth of energy for a handful of transactions a second is just absolutely atrocious, no matter on what scale of reference you look at it.
    - fleddr 5y ago
      Glad we agree to ban the outliers of wastefulness.
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ricochet11 5y ago

the planet is fine, humans and our way of life maybe not... but imo shutting down cryptocurrencies will do absolutely nothing to change our course. maybe global, borderless, coordination and communication tools could be very useful though...