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I think this is kind of a big "duh" statement. Mandates were issued in the face or surging numbers and we now have waning numbers. I'm very hesitant to declare
by tootie 5y ago
I think this is kind of a big "duh" statement. Mandates were issued in the face or surging numbers and we now have waning numbers. I'm very hesitant to declare victory too soon but the day is seemingly coming soon. Of course, we'll have to reverse course yet again if there's a new wave which very well might happen. The next stage should shipping billions of doses to the poor nations that haven't gotten any yet.
- micromacrofoot 5y agoMillions of people died, there's no victory.
- cies 5y agoOut of 8 billion that's not very impressive. Millions die in years without "pandemic". (quoted because in the past that mend >1% infection-deaths, this was <1%, yet still a pandemic).
- micromacrofoot 5y agoYeah and I don't call those victories either. We lost and need to do better when it happens again.
- encryptluks2 5y agoMaybe we should outlaw tobacco, limit people's sugar intake via daily glucose testing, and ban alcohol while we're at it?
- cies 5y agoI think people should be able to choose their vices. Suicide (slow or fast) is by it self not immoral to me.
- micromacrofoot 5y agoTobacco and sugar aren't contagious. If you want to continue down this path of false equivalence, many places have essentially outlawed second-hand smoke.
- encryptluks2 5y agoAnd vaccines are supposed to protect you, so if people aren't allowed to make their own choices then might as well force them to make whatever groupthink thinks is the best for them.
- micromacrofoot 5y agoVaccines are also a public health measure, like smoking restrictions. You can't choose to keep a petri dish of ebola around either. You are subject to "groupthink" unless you self-sustain in the woods somewhere. We call it "society." Many things you do every day are a result of "groupthink." The pipes that deliver the water, the social contracts that say you need to wear pants.
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- encryptluks2 5y agoSmoking restrictions are not permanent like forcing someone to get an experimental shot. The groupthink you are supporting also caused racism, wars, poverty and has created a mental health crisis. Youth suicide is at an all time high.
- micromacrofoot 5y agoThe vaccine isn't permanent, as we've very quickly discovered. Death is. How would you have done things differently to avoid racism, wars, poverty, and mental health crises? Do you think the suicide rate would have been half as high if twice as many people died from the virus? These are not easy questions to answer. I certainly don't know, and I don't expect you to. It's very easy to act like you know better in hindsight. The only non "groupthink" way to approach this pandemic would have been to do nothing. There's not a datapoint on the planet that supports doing nothing. Everything else requires some societal "groupthink" effort.
- cies 5y agoI dont have a problem with a natural cause "shaking out some dead branches". That's how things go. Someone else notes tobacco. And that's it, if we are so serious about extending human life, why not focus on lifestyle diseases? And even with that focus I think people should be able to choose their own vices (as long as it does not harm others).
- micromacrofoot 5y agoWe (the US, but also others) knew this virus was coming, and completely bungled the response on multiple occasions. Lots of people died that didn't have to die. We spend a lot of time and money avoiding lifestyle diseases. A virus isn't a lifestyle disease.
- cies 5y ago> A virus isn't a lifestyle disease. No it but it seems to kill those that have 'm LS diseases underlying. > We spend a lot of time and money avoiding lifestyle diseases. I never saw lockdowns on McD and Dunkin'Dos :) And I'm no in favor of spending to stop diseases. I feel better about heavy taxes on unhealthy stuff, and tax breaks for healthy stuff. (While the other way around happens all over the glove with life stock and feed subsidies).
- tootie 5y agoI mean, we declared victory at the end of WWII. No one comes out from a battle unscathed.
- micromacrofoot 5y agoA year before becoming involved in WWII, Neville Chamberlain, the PM of the UK said: "In war, whichever side may call itself the victor, there are no winners, but all are losers." Call it a victory if you must, but looking back at the past 2 years there were very few winners.
- cyberge99 5y agoThe B.A2 variant has emerged and is spreading. I’m not sure we’re rounding the corner just yet.
- TimedToasts 5y agoThere will always be new variants.
- simiones 5y agoIrrelevant. If the new variants keep killing people in huge numbers, we'll keep seeing restrictions (assuming our governments are doing their jobs). If this happens for the next 100 years, we'll have to keep living with restrictions for the next 100 years; horrible as it is, it's better than the alternatives.
- throwawayboise 5y ago> It's better than the alternatives. That's an opinion. You will find people who would rather face the chance of becoming sick than live under quasi-lockdown for their entire lives. We are all dead in the end.
- devmor 5y agoIf those people's choices only affected themselves, that'd be fine. But they don't. Typhoid Mary was locked away for a reason.