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> I want a better sleep schedule but not bad enough to put it into practice This sums up the issue. Most people could get decent sleep if they wanted to or eve

> I want a better sleep schedule but not bad enough to put it into practice This sums up the issue. Most people could get decent sleep if they wanted to or even made a basic effort, but their current poor-sleep compromise isn’t bad enough to make them want to give anything up. Or they don’t understand what they’re losing because it has been so long since they tried a reasonable sleep schedule. > That implies my personal projects make enough money to have a family on. Not true now so the grind continues. Consider giving up the side projects for a month or two. Side projects are one of the topics where people think they’re going to miss it more than they actually do. A month or two of total disconnectedness won’t sink your side projects, but it’s long enough to test the waters of a healthier sleep schedule. You may find that after getting your sleep under control, your daily efficiency and energy levels improve such that you’re getting your work done faster, spending more quality time with your spouse, and ultimately freeing up a nice slot of usable free time in the day that could spend on side projects without wrecking your sleep schedule.

ouid 5y ago
I think that there's a reasonable definition of "healthy sleep schedule" in "any sleep schedule you can maintain without an alarm clock (and also maybe stimulants).
- DerArzt 5y ago
  If we go by that metric, then the entire modern world has been built such that nobody will have a "healthy sleep schedule". I have to start work when I start work regardless of when I would be best suited to rising without my morning alarm.
  - ouid 5y ago
    Is this an objection or just a corrolary?
    - DerArzt 5y ago
      Observation more than anything. Countless jobs that people make a living doing have their schedules set by a larger bureaucracy. This leads to people needing to set their life schedules around that job, rather than their natural rhythms.
rkk3 5y ago
>> I want a better sleep schedule but not bad enough to put it into practice > This sums up the issue. Most people could get decent sleep if they wanted to or even made a basic effort Agreed. > but their current poor-sleep compromise isn’t bad enough to make them want to give anything up. Or they don’t understand what they’re losing because it has been so long since they tried a reasonable sleep schedule. I think that just like with Diet or Exercise with sleep the feedback loops are longer/delayed and that stops people from engaging in overwhelmingly healthy behavior - because the habit is harder to form.
echelon 5y ago
I have never been efficient enough with more sleep. The hours simply disappear into the ether. Running on 4-7 hours of sleep (with intermittent 10 hour catch up days) has let me build and launch a lot of stuff. - https://fakeyou.com https://fakeyou.com - A vtubing engine for virtual production (film, improv, streaming) - https://storyteller.io https://storyteller.io , tools for streamers (in-stream TTS, deepfaked gifs, a voxel camera), which should be done this weekend I don't think I could prepare for YC or any other sort of funding any other way, short of quitting my other responsibilities. There's not enough time in the day, so you have to give up something. I'll sleep more when I'm funded or when I'm dead, basically.
sandworm101 5y ago
>> if they wanted to or even made a basic effort For a great many people their sleep schedule is not something they control. You have to work when your boss needs you to work. The specific hours you sleep on a given day will change randomly (ie I had to be in at 0500 rather than my normal 0630 today). >> such that you’re getting your work done faster So? Lots of people (most people?) work in jobs where speed is largely irrelevant. Working faster just means doing or being assigned more work, not going home sooner or getting any more free time for sleep.

ouid 5y ago

I think that there's a reasonable definition of "healthy sleep schedule" in "any sleep schedule you can maintain without an alarm clock (and also maybe stimulants).

DerArzt 5y ago
If we go by that metric, then the entire modern world has been built such that nobody will have a "healthy sleep schedule". I have to start work when I start work regardless of when I would be best suited to rising without my morning alarm.
- ouid 5y ago
  Is this an objection or just a corrolary?
  - DerArzt 5y ago
    Observation more than anything. Countless jobs that people make a living doing have their schedules set by a larger bureaucracy. This leads to people needing to set their life schedules around that job, rather than their natural rhythms.

rkk3 5y ago

>> I want a better sleep schedule but not bad enough to put it into practice > This sums up the issue. Most people could get decent sleep if they wanted to or even made a basic effort Agreed. > but their current poor-sleep compromise isn’t bad enough to make them want to give anything up. Or they don’t understand what they’re losing because it has been so long since they tried a reasonable sleep schedule. I think that just like with Diet or Exercise with sleep the feedback loops are longer/delayed and that stops people from engaging in overwhelmingly healthy behavior - because the habit is harder to form.

echelon 5y ago

I have never been efficient enough with more sleep. The hours simply disappear into the ether. Running on 4-7 hours of sleep (with intermittent 10 hour catch up days) has let me build and launch a lot of stuff. - https://fakeyou.com https://fakeyou.com - A vtubing engine for virtual production (film, improv, streaming) - https://storyteller.io https://storyteller.io , tools for streamers (in-stream TTS, deepfaked gifs, a voxel camera), which should be done this weekend I don't think I could prepare for YC or any other sort of funding any other way, short of quitting my other responsibilities. There's not enough time in the day, so you have to give up something. I'll sleep more when I'm funded or when I'm dead, basically.

sandworm101 5y ago

>> if they wanted to or even made a basic effort For a great many people their sleep schedule is not something they control. You have to work when your boss needs you to work. The specific hours you sleep on a given day will change randomly (ie I had to be in at 0500 rather than my normal 0630 today). >> such that you’re getting your work done faster So? Lots of people (most people?) work in jobs where speed is largely irrelevant. Working faster just means doing or being assigned more work, not going home sooner or getting any more free time for sleep.