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It's fascinating how most of hackernews is arguing against making usable products for 70% of the internet users. Go on https://gs.statcounter.com/screen-resolut

It's fascinating how most of hackernews is arguing against making usable products for 70% of the internet users. Go on https://gs.statcounter.com/screen-resolution-stats https://gs.statcounter.com/screen-resolution-stats and look at the screen resolutions used in africa, india, china and most of the non developed world. Do you think these devices are in any means powerful? Let them eat Megabytes.

ChuckNorris89 5y ago
>It's fascinating how most of hackernews is arguing against making usable products for 70% of the internet users. Don't know who you're referring to but I wasn't arguing against making usable products. I'm not even a web developer. I merely stated the facts grounded in the real world. Most of the web is dogshit slow. What is more likely to happen from the two: 1) Web-devs starting to optimize their code to run well on old hardware or 2) People upgrade to HW that can run the current web a little bit better. > used in africa, india, china and most of the non developed world. Do you think these devices are in any means powerful? I find it funny the moments the HN users try to shoe-horn the poverty of the third world into various arguments, as if that's somehow a consideration for most people in rich countries on how they conduct their lives. Spoiler alert, most people only care about what happens in their surrounding, and in their personal bubble, and that's it, and most app-devs and web-devs care about the userbase they can monetize the most, which is why some app devs, especially in the US, never port their apps to Android as well and are fine with only with the more affluent iOS majority userbase. So bringing up the third world poverty and inclusiveness in such contexts feels deeply ironic to me. Yeah, I'd like that too, that web-devs and app devs would not discriminate between iOS and Android and all websites would run great on older machines, but that's not the truth. The truth is that most websites developed in the west are not optimized property therefore heavily favor those with modern machines and some apps are even Apple exclusive to the detriment of those left out. I've seen Facebook offer Lite version of their mobile client and messaging apps but that's only due to their huge userbase in the developing world, which like ou said, owns mostly low-end devices.
- YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo 5y ago
  It's the "WorldWideWeb".
  - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
    Yes, it's the "WorldWideWeb", not the "EqualityWideWeb". Wealth inequality is a thing, and it exists even in the west. But how does that help us? The web is still slow at the end of the day for those on older HW. Does crying about it help how? Or does upgrading to newer and better HW help those who can afford to? And if western web-devs cared so much about the experience of the users in poor countries, why haven't they optimized it already to run better on older devices?
    - YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo 5y ago
      webdevs ≠ corporations
      - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
        What's your point exactly? When most people go online they go to consume content on the websites of the biggest corporations like Google, YouTube, Netflix, Reddit, Facebook, TicTok and so on. That's what most of the internet is for most average consumers. The fact that indie devs exist who care about well optimized websites doesn't change this.
        YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo 5y ago
        The cormobidty of keeping a service alive and renewing it by forcing more and more unwanted features on the users is a fact. Every manager wants to parade around the new shiny thing without listening to their development team. It shows that you are not a webdev because you don't know the inner workings of a big tech corp if you really think it's just some indie devs that care about speed and optimization. The devs very much care.
scarface74 5y ago
How many developers in the US work at companies targeting a worldwide audience? Out of those that do, how many have one site that targets a worldwide audience?

ChuckNorris89 5y ago

>It's fascinating how most of hackernews is arguing against making usable products for 70% of the internet users. Don't know who you're referring to but I wasn't arguing against making usable products. I'm not even a web developer. I merely stated the facts grounded in the real world. Most of the web is dogshit slow. What is more likely to happen from the two: 1) Web-devs starting to optimize their code to run well on old hardware or 2) People upgrade to HW that can run the current web a little bit better. > used in africa, india, china and most of the non developed world. Do you think these devices are in any means powerful? I find it funny the moments the HN users try to shoe-horn the poverty of the third world into various arguments, as if that's somehow a consideration for most people in rich countries on how they conduct their lives. Spoiler alert, most people only care about what happens in their surrounding, and in their personal bubble, and that's it, and most app-devs and web-devs care about the userbase they can monetize the most, which is why some app devs, especially in the US, never port their apps to Android as well and are fine with only with the more affluent iOS majority userbase. So bringing up the third world poverty and inclusiveness in such contexts feels deeply ironic to me. Yeah, I'd like that too, that web-devs and app devs would not discriminate between iOS and Android and all websites would run great on older machines, but that's not the truth. The truth is that most websites developed in the west are not optimized property therefore heavily favor those with modern machines and some apps are even Apple exclusive to the detriment of those left out. I've seen Facebook offer Lite version of their mobile client and messaging apps but that's only due to their huge userbase in the developing world, which like ou said, owns mostly low-end devices.

YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo 5y ago
It's the "WorldWideWeb".
- ChuckNorris89 5y ago
  Yes, it's the "WorldWideWeb", not the "EqualityWideWeb". Wealth inequality is a thing, and it exists even in the west. But how does that help us? The web is still slow at the end of the day for those on older HW. Does crying about it help how? Or does upgrading to newer and better HW help those who can afford to? And if western web-devs cared so much about the experience of the users in poor countries, why haven't they optimized it already to run better on older devices?
  - YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo 5y ago
    webdevs ≠ corporations
    - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
      What's your point exactly? When most people go online they go to consume content on the websites of the biggest corporations like Google, YouTube, Netflix, Reddit, Facebook, TicTok and so on. That's what most of the internet is for most average consumers. The fact that indie devs exist who care about well optimized websites doesn't change this.
      - YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo 5y ago
        The cormobidty of keeping a service alive and renewing it by forcing more and more unwanted features on the users is a fact. Every manager wants to parade around the new shiny thing without listening to their development team. It shows that you are not a webdev because you don't know the inner workings of a big tech corp if you really think it's just some indie devs that care about speed and optimization. The devs very much care.

scarface74 5y ago

How many developers in the US work at companies targeting a worldwide audience? Out of those that do, how many have one site that targets a worldwide audience?