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Very cool! Helps turn a one-way learning experience into a dynamic one.

by IonWarp 15y ago

acangiano 15y ago
Guys, please don't do this. You submitted your startup. The submission got popular, and will now be discussed. Do we really need obvious sock puppet accounts created 10 minutes after the initial submission, commenting with enthusiasm and marketing speech?
- IonWarp 15y ago
  Antonio, don't be so quick to cry foul. I am one of classmetrics founder's brother, and run my own company out in Philadelphia area called LeanServer. If you need my papers, I will be more than happy to fax them to you. Best, Mike
  - acangiano 15y ago
    Hi Mike, no need for papers, I'm not the Internet police. :-P It's just that your first comment came across as very suspicious, aside from not adding much to the discussion. Even having established that it's not a sock puppet account per se, it is still convention around here to disclose affiliation (anonymously praising your brother's company qualifies for this). Anyway, welcome to HN and best of luck with your startups to both of you.
  - gjm11 15y ago
    > I am one of classmetrics founder's brother In which case, although you may not be a sockpuppet in the literal sense, what you did is frankly not much better. Sorry to be the bearer of disagreeable news, but that's how it is. It's not just that you'll get downvotes for this. I don't know about anyone else, but my opinion of the likely value of ClassMetrics went down when I saw your comment, and further down when it was confirmed that you were indeed basically spamming HN. That's probably not the outcome you were looking for. [EDITED to fix a typo.]
    - philwelch 15y ago
      On Wikipedia, the term for accounts like that is "meatpuppet".
  - scott_s 15y ago
    Actually, with that knowledge, I find your initial comment dishonest. You have a personal interest in seeing the project succeed. That's different than someone with no personal interest in the project thinking it's cool.
- Luyt 15y ago
  Sadly, this is the only way to have your submission not drop off the 'new' page. The rate of submissions to HN is so high, that within the hour new submissions disappear from the first page. This is why people use PSUNs. A PSUN is a Personal Sockpuppet Upvoting Network, which is a bunch of Amazon EC instances masquerading as human HN users, programmed to immediately upvote submissions and/or comments made by the owner of the PSUN. They're getting more clever at it too, by posting vapid marketing one-liners to bump the comment count. Some PSUNs are really elaborate with precisely emulating a human traffic pattern, reading comments, up/downvoting here and there (triggered by textual analysis of comments), and therefore impossible to distinguish from a real human user, even with social graph analysis. Like Windows can't do with a Anti-Virus program, HNers who don't want to see every submission they make slide into oblivion, are required to deploy a PSUN.
ColinWright 15y ago
Perhaps I was quick on the draw too, but your comment added nothing of substance - it's a "Me Too!" comment which is heavily discouraged here. The attitude here is "Add value, or get downvoted." To be honest, I've seen that sometimes people get downvoted anyway, but that's life. Added in edit: And who's Ilya?
- IonWarp 15y ago
  My first comment on HN, but thanks - I'll keep that in mind for future.
  - bostonvaulter2 15y ago
    Always good to read are the guidelines: http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - IonWarp 15y ago
      Guys, do you have better things to do than comment on the appropriateness of other's comments? Spend that energy on discussing the actual subject matter of this post. From guidelines: http://ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html http://ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html << Essentially there are two rules here: don't post or upvote crap links, and don't be rude or dumb in comment threads. ... Empty comments can be ok if they're positive. There's nothing wrong with submitting a comment saying just "Thanks." What we especially discourage are comments that are empty and negative—comments that are mere name-calling. >> That said, my participation in this thread is closed, have a good one.
      - scott_s 15y ago
        We like it here. We try to preserve what it is we like about it. Sometimes that means explaining our culture to new users.
- neonkiwi 15y ago
  I assume Ilya Volodarsky, a cofounder: http://www.linkedin.com/in/ilyavolodarsky http://www.linkedin.com/in/ilyavolodarsky

Very cool! Helps turn a one-way learning experience into a dynamic one.

by IonWarp 15y ago

Very cool! Helps turn a one-way learning experience into a dynamic one.

Guys, please don't do this. You submitted your startup. The submission got popular, and will now be discussed. Do we really need obvious sock puppet accounts created 10 minutes after the initial submission, commenting with enthusiasm and marketing speech?

IonWarp 15y ago
Antonio, don't be so quick to cry foul. I am one of classmetrics founder's brother, and run my own company out in Philadelphia area called LeanServer. If you need my papers, I will be more than happy to fax them to you. Best, Mike
- acangiano 15y ago
  Hi Mike, no need for papers, I'm not the Internet police. :-P It's just that your first comment came across as very suspicious, aside from not adding much to the discussion. Even having established that it's not a sock puppet account per se, it is still convention around here to disclose affiliation (anonymously praising your brother's company qualifies for this). Anyway, welcome to HN and best of luck with your startups to both of you.
- gjm11 15y ago
  > I am one of classmetrics founder's brother In which case, although you may not be a sockpuppet in the literal sense, what you did is frankly not much better. Sorry to be the bearer of disagreeable news, but that's how it is. It's not just that you'll get downvotes for this. I don't know about anyone else, but my opinion of the likely value of ClassMetrics went down when I saw your comment, and further down when it was confirmed that you were indeed basically spamming HN. That's probably not the outcome you were looking for. [EDITED to fix a typo.]
  - philwelch 15y ago
    On Wikipedia, the term for accounts like that is "meatpuppet".
- scott_s 15y ago
  Actually, with that knowledge, I find your initial comment dishonest. You have a personal interest in seeing the project succeed. That's different than someone with no personal interest in the project thinking it's cool.
Luyt 15y ago
Sadly, this is the only way to have your submission not drop off the 'new' page. The rate of submissions to HN is so high, that within the hour new submissions disappear from the first page. This is why people use PSUNs. A PSUN is a Personal Sockpuppet Upvoting Network, which is a bunch of Amazon EC instances masquerading as human HN users, programmed to immediately upvote submissions and/or comments made by the owner of the PSUN. They're getting more clever at it too, by posting vapid marketing one-liners to bump the comment count. Some PSUNs are really elaborate with precisely emulating a human traffic pattern, reading comments, up/downvoting here and there (triggered by textual analysis of comments), and therefore impossible to distinguish from a real human user, even with social graph analysis. Like Windows can't do with a Anti-Virus program, HNers who don't want to see every submission they make slide into oblivion, are required to deploy a PSUN.

ColinWright 15y ago

Perhaps I was quick on the draw too, but your comment added nothing of substance - it's a "Me Too!" comment which is heavily discouraged here. The attitude here is "Add value, or get downvoted." To be honest, I've seen that sometimes people get downvoted anyway, but that's life. Added in edit: And who's Ilya?

IonWarp 15y ago
My first comment on HN, but thanks - I'll keep that in mind for future.
- bostonvaulter2 15y ago
  Always good to read are the guidelines: http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - IonWarp 15y ago
    Guys, do you have better things to do than comment on the appropriateness of other's comments? Spend that energy on discussing the actual subject matter of this post. From guidelines: http://ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html http://ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html << Essentially there are two rules here: don't post or upvote crap links, and don't be rude or dumb in comment threads. ... Empty comments can be ok if they're positive. There's nothing wrong with submitting a comment saying just "Thanks." What we especially discourage are comments that are empty and negative—comments that are mere name-calling. >> That said, my participation in this thread is closed, have a good one.
    - scott_s 15y ago
      We like it here. We try to preserve what it is we like about it. Sometimes that means explaining our culture to new users.
neonkiwi 15y ago
I assume Ilya Volodarsky, a cofounder: http://www.linkedin.com/in/ilyavolodarsky http://www.linkedin.com/in/ilyavolodarsky