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by tleb_ 5y ago

3pt14159 5y ago
I just tried "python convert datetime to unix timestamp" on marginalia and it came out with nothing. Kagi I signed up for the beta and I'm on a waitlist. Still nothing better that Google for me.
- marginalia_nu 5y ago
  Yeah it's not quite the sort of query it's good at. It's more geared toward discovery than answering questions. You can answer that particular question if you tune the query a bit though. https://search.marginalia.nu/search?query=python+datetime+unix&profile=yolo&js=default https://search.marginalia.nu/search?query=python+datetime+un... Has this as the first result, though: http://www.logophile.org/blog/2010/08/15/python-datetime-conversions http://www.logophile.org/blog/2010/08/15/python-datetime-con...
  - 3pt14159 5y ago
    You're right. It works better when I think "hard keyword search" than what I'm used to with DDG and Google. I tried "python super classmethod" and got here: https://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3135/ https://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3135/ which perfectly answered my question.
    - skinkestek 5y ago
      Isn't it beautiful that something so amazing can run on a standard tower PC in a living room in Sweden? Holding up against a HN hug of death last month, providing an absolutely refreshing search experience!
- shrikant 5y ago
  I got access to the Kagi beta a week or so back, and have been daily-driving it as my default search engine ever since. I've only ever "fallen back" to Google for a small handful of searches since then, and only out of curiosity for what it might look like in comparison to the Kagi results. Although it's only been a small amount of time, I'm sticking with Kagi for now because the search results are at least on par with Google's, and significantly less encumbered by Google's SERP dark patterns.
- TheSecondMouse 5y ago
  I just tried on Kagi, this was the result: https://imgur.com/a/Ds1YTf5 https://imgur.com/a/Ds1YTf5 I've been using Kagi for a little while now, honestly, it's been pretty great.
- skinkestek 5y ago
  Read the how to on marginalia. Edit, it is right beneath the search box and says: [...] A concrete example: How do I cook steak? will probably not be helpful, Steak Recipe will give better results (just Steak is pretty good too). After that try: python datetime timestamp or: python convert time or something similar. Edit: see also marginalias answer next to me. As I wrote earlier: marginalia is most for fun (although lately I have gotten better results for at least one simple technical query.) Edit: if a search engine respects your query you can always broaden your query. If a search engine ignores your query you cannot do anything.
  - ajmurmann 5y ago
    Is my memory filling me or is that much closer to how search used to work in the early 00s? I have vague memories of being flabbergasted by someone even trying something like "how to XYZ?" in a search engine.
    - skinkestek 5y ago
      No, you are right. This is the way anyone with a clue would approach search until Google broke it: search for words or phrases within the page.
      - samstave 5y ago
        I always search as such: "perfect steak recipe" "perfect grilled chicken" and such... typically resulting in the best results. "R53 mini cooper fuel filter" reduce the words to the core of the question, and get good results.
    - alex_sf 5y ago
      Yeah, you used to have to think of specific, unique keywords that would appear in the page you were searching for. A lot of people couldn't break the habit of asking questions, so search engines just started accepting it and trying to optimize for it.
      - 5y ago

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by tleb_ 5y ago

https://kagi.com/ https://kagi.com/ https://search.marginalia.nu/ https://search.marginalia.nu/

I just tried "python convert datetime to unix timestamp" on marginalia and it came out with nothing. Kagi I signed up for the beta and I'm on a waitlist. Still nothing better that Google for me.

marginalia_nu 5y ago
Yeah it's not quite the sort of query it's good at. It's more geared toward discovery than answering questions. You can answer that particular question if you tune the query a bit though. https://search.marginalia.nu/search?query=python+datetime+unix&profile=yolo&js=default https://search.marginalia.nu/search?query=python+datetime+un... Has this as the first result, though: http://www.logophile.org/blog/2010/08/15/python-datetime-conversions http://www.logophile.org/blog/2010/08/15/python-datetime-con...
- 3pt14159 5y ago
  You're right. It works better when I think "hard keyword search" than what I'm used to with DDG and Google. I tried "python super classmethod" and got here: https://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3135/ https://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3135/ which perfectly answered my question.
  - skinkestek 5y ago
    Isn't it beautiful that something so amazing can run on a standard tower PC in a living room in Sweden? Holding up against a HN hug of death last month, providing an absolutely refreshing search experience!
shrikant 5y ago
I got access to the Kagi beta a week or so back, and have been daily-driving it as my default search engine ever since. I've only ever "fallen back" to Google for a small handful of searches since then, and only out of curiosity for what it might look like in comparison to the Kagi results. Although it's only been a small amount of time, I'm sticking with Kagi for now because the search results are at least on par with Google's, and significantly less encumbered by Google's SERP dark patterns.
TheSecondMouse 5y ago
I just tried on Kagi, this was the result: https://imgur.com/a/Ds1YTf5 https://imgur.com/a/Ds1YTf5 I've been using Kagi for a little while now, honestly, it's been pretty great.
skinkestek 5y ago
Read the how to on marginalia. Edit, it is right beneath the search box and says: [...] A concrete example: How do I cook steak? will probably not be helpful, Steak Recipe will give better results (just Steak is pretty good too). After that try: python datetime timestamp or: python convert time or something similar. Edit: see also marginalias answer next to me. As I wrote earlier: marginalia is most for fun (although lately I have gotten better results for at least one simple technical query.) Edit: if a search engine respects your query you can always broaden your query. If a search engine ignores your query you cannot do anything.
- ajmurmann 5y ago
  Is my memory filling me or is that much closer to how search used to work in the early 00s? I have vague memories of being flabbergasted by someone even trying something like "how to XYZ?" in a search engine.
  - skinkestek 5y ago
    No, you are right. This is the way anyone with a clue would approach search until Google broke it: search for words or phrases within the page.
    - samstave 5y ago
      I always search as such: "perfect steak recipe" "perfect grilled chicken" and such... typically resulting in the best results. "R53 mini cooper fuel filter" reduce the words to the core of the question, and get good results.
  - alex_sf 5y ago
    Yeah, you used to have to think of specific, unique keywords that would appear in the page you were searching for. A lot of people couldn't break the habit of asking questions, so search engines just started accepting it and trying to optimize for it.
    - 5y ago