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To be clear: they pay their own editors, the ones who do the coordination, not the authors (who actually edit the paper) or the reviewers. 11000 is the annual
by cblconfederate 5y ago
To be clear: they pay their own editors, the ones who do the coordination, not the authors (who actually edit the paper) or the reviewers.
11000 is the annual pay of a Phd student in southern europe, it's incredibly high amount. the $5000 that elsevier asks is already enough. prestigious EU grants run for > $1m. National grants may be $100000.
As an EU citizen i hate the fact that even more EU money is siphoned to enrich the NPG. We ve had enough and this must stop. I hope both them and elsevier get outright banned, because clearly open access is another revenue stream for them
- einpoklum 5y ago> 11000 is the paycheck of a Phd student in southern europe, A Ph.D. candidate (don't call them students please, they're researchers more than students) in southern Europe does _not_ get 11,000 USD / month. Something between 2,000 and 4,500 AFAICT.
- dariosalvi78 5y agohe meant per year...
- einpoklum 5y agoWhat, less than 1000 USD per month? But that's a joke. In the Netherlands it's something like... 2800 EUR or 3000 EUR per month, so let's say 3000 - 3300 USD / month. I know the Netherlands PhD candidates have it relatively well (in relative, not absolute, terms), but I find it hard to believe people are expected to live off of 900 EUR / month. Is it really that bad these days?
- tomrod 5y agoNot a joke. Stipends for US PhD students tend to be low, unless you're in a STEM or business school.
- cblconfederate 5y agoIs that without social contribution? Minimum wage in greece is 730 usd. Many if not most phds earn less than $1000, if they are lucky to have stable funding. Hence brain drain
- einpoklum 5y agoWhat I quoted is the gross salary according to the national collective employment agreement. A more recent version than the one I worked under is here: https://www.europeanpolarboard.org/fileadmin/user_upload/cao-oi-2021-english-version.pdf https://www.europeanpolarboard.org/fileadmin/user_upload/cao... but more specifically, see page 3 here: https://www.maastrichtuniversity.nl/sites/default/files/en_2005_guideline_130226.pdf https://www.maastrichtuniversity.nl/sites/default/files/en_2... PhD candidates are on the type-10 salary scale, and the current scale by years of experience is here: https://www.staff.universiteitleiden.nl/binaries/content/assets/ul2staff/po/salaris/salaristabel-1-januari-2022.pdf https://www.staff.universiteitleiden.nl/binaries/content/ass... Naturally you pay a bit of income tax and health insurance, but on the other than you may be eligible to reduced-rent accommodation, and there's an extra month's pay once a year, and retirement benefits allowance, and some remuneration for Internet access costs etc. etc.
- dariosalvi78 5y agoI have been a PhD student in Spain for quite some time and my salary started with less than 1000€/month and ended at around 1500€. Of course cost of living is much lower too.
- kenich 5y agoSounds about right as an annual figure. My annual stipend in London was ~£16,000 and the cost of living there is commensurately higher than in southern Europe.
- amcoastal 5y agoHe means per year. Your estimates are generous. For my graduate studies I was paid 8000 a year.
- jkhdigital 5y agoAs an aside, apparently there is a technical difference between “candidate” and “student”. A PhD candidate is one who has passed the qualifying exam, which occurs 2-3 years into the process. This usually coincides with the point at which all required coursework is complete, so “student” is probably a suitable label during that initial period.
- ta988 5y agoThis is not how it works in most parts of Europe.