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> European and developed world thing and use IDs with proper identification methods You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps "Europe" to

by FDSGSG 5y ago

> European and developed world thing and use IDs with proper identification methods You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps "Europe" to you only refers to some rich Scandinavian countries? In Eastern Europe ID cards are frequently issued solely on the basis of witness statements, fraud is very common. There are probably hundreds of thousands of "fraudulently" issued European passports in circulation. If you go walk near embassies in Chisinau, you'll be approached a plenty of people offering to help you procure one. Even the UK has struggled with this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58876645 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58876645 >And why would you live under someone else's identity? Isn't it identity theft? Because you don't have your own, there are a plenty of Europeans who have never even had a birth certificate (or lost theirs). Because yours comes with the wrong nationality, a semipermanent black mark that prevents you from seeking normal employment.

Dma54rhs 5y ago
I live in the poor Eastern Europe and its most certainly not true. Where do you live in the east that you're so confident making this outrageous claim?
- FDSGSG 5y ago
  It's not an outrageous claim. The huge scale of passport fraud in Romania and Hungary is widely known, literally to the point where half the rich Russians living in central London hold fraudulently acquired Romanian passports. Of course it's not only Eastern Europe, of course Greece and Italy have struggled with this too.
  - Dma54rhs 5y ago
    Rich Russians get their passports by investing in countries, you might dislike the way its possible to acquire passport but it's drop of the ocean. Your claim like its s massive problem on the grand scale of things in Europe is propaganda.
    - FDSGSG 5y ago
      > Rich Russians get their passports by investing in countries You have no idea what you are talking about. I am not talking about Cyprus here. Here's an article describing a small slice of it https://www.vice.com/en/article/akwe34/romania-has-allegedly-allowed-russians-and-ukrainians-to-buy-eu-passports https://www.vice.com/en/article/akwe34/romania-has-allegedly... > you might dislike the way its possible to acquire passport I don't, I firmly believe that this is a good thing. >Your claim like its s massive problem on the grand scale of things in Europe is propaganda. I don't claim that it is a problem at all. I'm just saying that you were being ridiculous when you said > Its time for Americans do the European and developed world thing and use IDs with proper identification methods Europe is far from having this figured out.
iSnow 5y ago
I don't think Moldova is representative of Eastern Europe. Hundreds of thousands of illegals among a population of 400 million doesn't sound like such a huge problem.
- FDSGSG 5y ago
  The Moldovans are getting EU passports, usually Romanian or Hungarian. They certainly aren't looking for Moldovan passports. I don't think this is a problem at all, the whole concept of borders and citizenships is poisonous.

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Dma54rhs 5y ago

I live in the poor Eastern Europe and its most certainly not true. Where do you live in the east that you're so confident making this outrageous claim?

FDSGSG 5y ago
It's not an outrageous claim. The huge scale of passport fraud in Romania and Hungary is widely known, literally to the point where half the rich Russians living in central London hold fraudulently acquired Romanian passports. Of course it's not only Eastern Europe, of course Greece and Italy have struggled with this too.
- Dma54rhs 5y ago
  Rich Russians get their passports by investing in countries, you might dislike the way its possible to acquire passport but it's drop of the ocean. Your claim like its s massive problem on the grand scale of things in Europe is propaganda.
  - FDSGSG 5y ago
    > Rich Russians get their passports by investing in countries You have no idea what you are talking about. I am not talking about Cyprus here. Here's an article describing a small slice of it https://www.vice.com/en/article/akwe34/romania-has-allegedly-allowed-russians-and-ukrainians-to-buy-eu-passports https://www.vice.com/en/article/akwe34/romania-has-allegedly... > you might dislike the way its possible to acquire passport I don't, I firmly believe that this is a good thing. >Your claim like its s massive problem on the grand scale of things in Europe is propaganda. I don't claim that it is a problem at all. I'm just saying that you were being ridiculous when you said > Its time for Americans do the European and developed world thing and use IDs with proper identification methods Europe is far from having this figured out.

iSnow 5y ago

I don't think Moldova is representative of Eastern Europe. Hundreds of thousands of illegals among a population of 400 million doesn't sound like such a huge problem.

FDSGSG 5y ago
The Moldovans are getting EU passports, usually Romanian or Hungarian. They certainly aren't looking for Moldovan passports. I don't think this is a problem at all, the whole concept of borders and citizenships is poisonous.