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I'm a full on speciesist. let's do more of this. since we're already eating them I feel like this even a more reasonable usage of their lives. can we do kidn
by drenvuk 5y ago
I'm a full on speciesist. let's do more of this. since we're already eating them I feel like this even a more reasonable usage of their lives. can we do kidneys next please? we can basically shut down most dialysis clinics after that.
- pkaye 5y agoThey did so a pig to human kidney transplant recently however it was on a brain dead man as an initial test. Probably soon it be on a living patient. As a person on a kidney transplant waitlist, it given me some hope for the future. https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-01-pig-to-human-transplant-donated-body.html https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-01-pig-to-human-transpla...
- spoonjim 5y ago
- capableweb 5y agoCalm your horses. His body was donated to science by the family, I'm sure they knew what he wanted and did just that.
- bobthechef 5y ago
- aqme28 5y agoWhy do you say it’s non-consensual? He donated his body to science.
- moffkalast 5y agoMight as well then also get consent from cadavers to do autopsy lmao.
- mrguyorama 5y agoDon't we actually do that? By getting consent before death?
- tiagod 5y agoWhat's your source that states it was non consensual?
- dkjaudyeqooe 5y agoThe next logical step is to breed pigs with organs that especially suit humans, maybe with some genetic engineering to optimise them. I really can't see anyone needing an organ complaining that they're GMO. As long as we treat animals well while they're alive (and why wouldn't you, you want high quality low stress organs) then there's really no limit here, morally.
- mapme 5y agoWouldn’t you need to kill the animal in the prime of its life, causing a moral issue?
- Pxtl 5y agoFood animals are killed in adolescence for far less noble reasons. I'm a vegetarian. Grow me a goddamned lung pig.
- mapme 5y agoI understand your view and agree with what you’ve said, however, the primary point was that there are moral implications if you intervene in another life so it is not a moral freebie.
- drenvuk 5y agoPigs reach slaughter weight at about 6 months[0] and the lifetime of a domestic pig is 15 to 20 years. Their breeding age is 8+ months. So we kill them before they reach the prime of their life most of the time. Killing them at their prime might be less of a moral issue than what we do currently. [0]https://modernfarmer.com/2016/05/raising-pigs/#:~:text=Most%20pig%20farmers%20buy%20%E2%80%9Cweaners,they're%206%20months%20old https://modernfarmer.com/2016/05/raising-pigs/#:~:text=Most%....
- mapme 5y agoThat is an interesting comparison to other reasons why we kill animals, however, the point wasn’t a relative moral comparison to animal slaughter for food purposes but that it’s not zero cost morality wise to kill an animal in its prime.
- asdff 5y agoThe adage "use the whole buffalo" has never really died out in terms of meat processing. There's a lot of good product in an animal and you can find buyers for all of it. There's the obvious stuff like hotdogs, sure, but even stuff like the blood is also important. Fetal bovine serum, a supplement for cell culture media, for example comes from the slaughterhouse and is extremely important for biomedical research.
- croisillon 5y agoAnd the next step would be to eat the humans who've had an animal transplant, sounds all good and logical to me.
- ilrwbwrkhv 5y agoThat is such a ridiculous comment, I had a mighty chuckle.
- moffkalast 5y agoIf you replace a human organ by organ with one from a pig, is he still the original human? Ship of piggus.
- sjg007 5y agoWe basically have at least as many or more bacteria cells in us than human cells so are we actually a microbe?
- croisillon 5y agoAsk the speciesist ;)
- moffkalast 5y agoHey I'm not speciesist, some of my best friends are bacteria!
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- cameronh90 5y agoI'm vegetarian and have no issue with using animals for medical purposes like this. It's one thing to kill for pleasure as in fur, cosmetics and food, but quite another to kill an animal to save a human life. I am pretty sure even most vegans would be happy to accept an animal death to save their own life, even a pet. Similarly, I guess, I was vegan but I had to stop that diet as it caused severe health problems for me.
- inglor_cz 5y agoOnce you kill the pig for its heart and kidneys, you might as well eat it. Better than letting the nutritional value of the meat go to waste. That wouldn't be a lot of pigs, true, and a pork chop of that origin would be pretty expensive.
- Cthulhu_ 5y agoNothing in an animal for slaughter goes to waste, they're too expensive for that. I mean the value of various parts like organ meat varies by what it's used for, but eventually everything is used up. A lot of offal ends up in animal feed, for example. And their hooves end up in keratine supplements for the gymbros.
- inglor_cz 5y agoThese are genetically altered pigs with human genes inserted, though. I can see some people being uneasy about consuming them, either from moral or pragmatic (possible pathogenicity) point of view.
- cameronh90 5y agoPerhaps I'm somewhat of an atypical veg, but I am okay with that - although I personally wouldn't as I no longer like meat. I also would not ban meat consumption if I was a dictator, but I would enforce extremely high ethical standards, carbon neutrality and proper management of agricultural effluent. I suspect that would make a pork chop pretty expensive too.