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Having tried all these diets, a low protein and low fat vegan diet had the most dramatic weight loss without crazy cravings. Keto was good but the huge amount

Having tried all these diets, a low protein and low fat vegan diet had the most dramatic weight loss without crazy cravings. Keto was good but the huge amount of protein meant I built/kept a bunch of muscle and muscle tissue taxes your system. In retrospect a high protein low fat/cal diet is a recipe for intense cravings and extremely difficult weight loss.

toast0 5y ago
> In retrospect a high protein low fat/cal diet is a recipe for intense cravings and extremely difficult weight loss. Keto is supposed to be high fat, very low carb, reasonable protein. As another poster named it, medical keto, is hard to follow because of the high fat. Popular keto is still challenging.
- 1_player 5y ago
  > hard to follow because of the high fat It really isn't, it's just a matter of adapting your taste buds. If you're used to fries and muffins daily, yeah it can be hard, but as someone from Southern Europe used to snacking on salami and cheese and butter, reaching 80% calories from fat isn't hard at all, especially considering that fat is more than 2x more calorie dense per gram than protein and carbs, so you don't need that much of it. A steak with a little butter gets you there easily.
reedjosh 5y ago
> I built/kept a bunch of muscle and muscle tissue taxes your system What!? In what world is muscle not a good thing. Muscle mass is even a measure of health in aging that fairly well predicts longevity.
- ericmcer 5y ago
  Muscle is good to a point, it is very easy in our high calorie high protein diet to put on way too much muscle. It is little better than fat, especially with the way heavy weightlifting distributes it.
  - daydream 5y ago
    Sorry. This is just flat out wrong.
  - amanaplanacanal 5y ago
    Very easy to put on way too much muscle? Most people find it very hard work over a long time to put on even small amounts of muscle. Where did you get these ideas from?
kcplate 5y ago
If you were eating a large amount of protein it’s likely the diet you were following was probably not putting you into ketosis. It’s a common mistake (made it myself initially). The problem is that if your fat/protein ratios are off your body will convert the protein to glucose (via Gluconeogenesis) for energy and you generally will not achieve ketosis and become fat adapted.

toast0 5y ago

> In retrospect a high protein low fat/cal diet is a recipe for intense cravings and extremely difficult weight loss. Keto is supposed to be high fat, very low carb, reasonable protein. As another poster named it, medical keto, is hard to follow because of the high fat. Popular keto is still challenging.

1_player 5y ago
> hard to follow because of the high fat It really isn't, it's just a matter of adapting your taste buds. If you're used to fries and muffins daily, yeah it can be hard, but as someone from Southern Europe used to snacking on salami and cheese and butter, reaching 80% calories from fat isn't hard at all, especially considering that fat is more than 2x more calorie dense per gram than protein and carbs, so you don't need that much of it. A steak with a little butter gets you there easily.

reedjosh 5y ago

> I built/kept a bunch of muscle and muscle tissue taxes your system What!? In what world is muscle not a good thing. Muscle mass is even a measure of health in aging that fairly well predicts longevity.

ericmcer 5y ago
Muscle is good to a point, it is very easy in our high calorie high protein diet to put on way too much muscle. It is little better than fat, especially with the way heavy weightlifting distributes it.
- daydream 5y ago
  Sorry. This is just flat out wrong.
- amanaplanacanal 5y ago
  Very easy to put on way too much muscle? Most people find it very hard work over a long time to put on even small amounts of muscle. Where did you get these ideas from?

kcplate 5y ago

If you were eating a large amount of protein it’s likely the diet you were following was probably not putting you into ketosis. It’s a common mistake (made it myself initially). The problem is that if your fat/protein ratios are off your body will convert the protein to glucose (via Gluconeogenesis) for energy and you generally will not achieve ketosis and become fat adapted.