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that comment is an excellent example of why these articles get flagged rather than debated. They become an incessant Sisyphean slog through every minor detail t
by mint2 5y ago
that comment is an excellent example of why these articles get flagged rather than debated. They become an incessant Sisyphean slog through every minor detail that has between twisted or cherry picked in ways that really seems intentional on the part of the pro-death anti vax movement in order to prove their narrative at any cost.
210 million America are vaccine as of today. Are you trying to say the number I mentioned in my comment was wrong because I said “few hundred million” instead of “a couple hundred million plus change” when even if it were just “one” hundred million my point would be valid? Quibbling over whether it should be a couple or few when either of them support the point is 100th level nitpicking on the unimportant. Of course the point I made has been ignored because it was valid.
> show up in a trial population of 'only' ~60-70,000 participants
Why are you looking at the number of participants? It’s not relevant to your point there. The number that had covid is needed to answer the question you’re posing.
- native_samples 5y ago"Are you trying to say the number I mentioned in my comment was wrong because I said “few hundred million” instead of “a couple hundred million plus change”" No. You claimed "of the 1000 people with the vaccine 2 died, vs the 1000 people with placebo, 187 died" which is just factually wrong. The trials didn't show anything even close to this disparity. "Why are you looking at the number of participants? It’s not relevant to your point there. The number that had covid is needed to answer the question you’re posing." Trial size determines ability to detect small but real effects, which is why the larger number of deaths in the vaccine vs placebo arm was ignored.
- mint2 5y agoOh oops wrong level of comment. You weren’t saying that my numbers were wrong, my bad. But the other points still stand. Those numbers the person quoted do appear off. So you agree with my points about the few hundred million getting vaccinated in a highly anxious climate with tons of misinformation about side effects is essentially guaranteed to have high levels of reported side effects simply due to psychology. That alone means nearly all of the articles points fall apart so quibbling with sub comments in an effort to salvage the article is pointless. Also the article is a long mass of poor quality text. Having section dividers doesn’t make bad references and argumentative fallacies good logic. For the question you posed about Covid and the excuse giving, yes the number of Covid patients matters.