The thing with ORMs is they generally are really more like data structs than full-on objects, but ORMs cause some devs think that's what objects are. When in f

The thing with ORMs is they generally are really more like data structs than full-on objects, but ORMs cause some devs think that's what objects are. When in fact an object is just a bundle of capabilities. While the ORM operations (select, delete, etc.) are capabilities, they don't specifically model the capabilities of the system, and in fact many times these operations should be unexposed outside of the object.