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They don't, they just know the original URL. IIRC, they also scrape news websites and it's impossible to automatically and correctly detect the location of a pe

by f311a 5y ago

They don't, they just know the original URL. IIRC, they also scrape news websites and it's impossible to automatically and correctly detect the location of a person. Even if it's from a social network, you still can't be sure. Especially, if a photo have multiple persons.

kurthr 5y ago
It is so impossible that it is the actual use case they are selling? " The system found a match in the background of some photo taken at a trade show (the guy was working a both). It only knew the website the photo was from, which allowed the police the identify the trade show, which allowed them to track down the people working at that booth to find their suspect."
- meowface 5y ago
  Just as evidence I'm not defending them, I find their project totally unethical, and the owners and their associates are also highly involved with internet fascism and credential phishing (I know the source isn't the best, but I recommend reading the article): https://www.huffpost.com/entry/clearview-ai-facial-recognition-alt-right_n_5e7d028bc5b6cb08a92a5c48 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/clearview-ai-facial-recogniti... With that said: the order is clearly impossible to execute. There's a huge difference between police clicking on a URL in a result and manually investigating to determine the location and having their system automatically determine the location of all photos and delete the ones that are in Canada.
  - shkkmo 5y ago
    > With that said: the order is clearly impossible to execute. It is clearly possible to execute, it would just require much higher costs per image that ClearView processes and the probable need for ClearView to avoid using any images that they can't verify the location of in am economical fashion. Saying it is "impossible" is different from saying that the costs of compliance would fundamentally change ClearView's business model.
    - cbsmith 5y ago
      I think at that point most people would consider it a very different kind of service. You don't need the Internet or AI to collate pictures and the data on them into a database.
      - hiptobecubic 5y ago
        Sure, but the point is that their business is not viable then. If it's illegal to serve childporn and imgur can't profitably detect if it's serving childporn or not, then imgur is doomed. I think no one would dispute that?
        volkl48 5y ago
        Depends, what level of accuracy are you demanding? If the answer is 100%, then yes, all user-generated content on the internet will have to be banned unless subject to manual human review before allowing the post to be seen, and even that is probably not perfect.
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by f311a 5y ago

kurthr 5y ago

It is so impossible that it is the actual use case they are selling? " The system found a match in the background of some photo taken at a trade show (the guy was working a both). It only knew the website the photo was from, which allowed the police the identify the trade show, which allowed them to track down the people working at that booth to find their suspect."

meowface 5y ago
Just as evidence I'm not defending them, I find their project totally unethical, and the owners and their associates are also highly involved with internet fascism and credential phishing (I know the source isn't the best, but I recommend reading the article): https://www.huffpost.com/entry/clearview-ai-facial-recognition-alt-right_n_5e7d028bc5b6cb08a92a5c48 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/clearview-ai-facial-recogniti... With that said: the order is clearly impossible to execute. There's a huge difference between police clicking on a URL in a result and manually investigating to determine the location and having their system automatically determine the location of all photos and delete the ones that are in Canada.
- shkkmo 5y ago
  > With that said: the order is clearly impossible to execute. It is clearly possible to execute, it would just require much higher costs per image that ClearView processes and the probable need for ClearView to avoid using any images that they can't verify the location of in am economical fashion. Saying it is "impossible" is different from saying that the costs of compliance would fundamentally change ClearView's business model.
  - cbsmith 5y ago
    I think at that point most people would consider it a very different kind of service. You don't need the Internet or AI to collate pictures and the data on them into a database.
    - hiptobecubic 5y ago
      Sure, but the point is that their business is not viable then. If it's illegal to serve childporn and imgur can't profitably detect if it's serving childporn or not, then imgur is doomed. I think no one would dispute that?
      - volkl48 5y ago
        Depends, what level of accuracy are you demanding? If the answer is 100%, then yes, all user-generated content on the internet will have to be banned unless subject to manual human review before allowing the post to be seen, and even that is probably not perfect.
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