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Two shots reduces chances of hospitalization/death by about 90%. Two shots and a booster by like 98%. Sorry you got the sniffles though.

0xDEEPFAC 5y ago
Yea its hard to argue with Pfizer's data about its own products.
- NikolaeVarius 5y ago
  - mandmandam 5y ago
    - xadhominemx 5y ago
      This estimate is based on actual death/hospitalization statistics across a number of countries: https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination
      - EricE 5y ago
        Two countries. Now do the same with Israel.
        xadhominemx 5y ago
        What data are you referring to?
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sharkweek 5y ago
I appreciate why we’re all calling this a mild illness in the grand scheme of things, but I am a healthy individual (vaxed and boosted) who got absolutely creamed by Covid earlier this month for about a week. I was completely useless around the house and am still having trouble getting my breath under me. To be fair I was never worried about having to go to the hospital but this is the sickest I’ve been in at least 10 years.
- throwaway1777 5y ago
  Getting sick for a week with the flu is common too but we didn’t shut society down for it.
  - EricE 5y ago
    No kidding! Got COVID and it sucked. Worth ruining millions of people's lives like we have over the last two years, and are continuing to do? Absolutely not!
    - xadhominemx 5y ago
      Who is “we”? Who’s lives are being ruined? There are essentially no restrictions remaining in the United States for vaccinated individual besides mask mandates in public transit and schools, and those are at worst a minor inconvenience.
      - EricE 5y ago
        Masking, especially with children, is far from a "minor" inconvenience. Especially since kids are the LEAST affected by the virus and the least likely to spread it. Any restrictions on kids or vaccine mandates on them is beyond child abuse at this point. Masking (with cloth) does NOTHING to prevent or even slow the spread of an airborne virus. What it does do is provide a nice physiological equivalent to a baby's pacifier. Tricking people into believing they have some control, when they don't. And why should there be any restrictions for unvaccinated, especially if they have already had the virus? Vaccinated people can get and spread the virus - there is zero scientific basis for treating vaccinated and unvaccinated any differently, especially unvaccinated that have already had COVID - they have better immunity than the "vaccinated". It's all politics; zero science. What's the most disgusting about all of this is blatantly irrational people like you are burning any societal credibility that will be needed if there ever is an event that is really deserving of this kind of a response. Much like the vast overuse of calling people you don't like an -ist or -phobe; those words loose their meaning and significance and make it harder for people really experiencing that stuff to get attention or help. And people wonder why trust in our institutions is at an all time low? Seriously?!?
sumnuyungi 5y ago
SSI paper had Pfizer/Moderna 2 shots at 55.2%/36.7% for Omicron and waning quickly enough to require a booster within 5 months of the last shot. [1] https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/significant-increase-protection-vs-omicron-mrna-boosters-study-says-2021-12-22/ https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/...
- xadhominemx 5y ago
  This estimate is based on actual death/hospitalization statistics across a number of countries: https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination I believe your quote relates to protection against infection
  - sumnuyungi 5y ago
    Omicron is the dominant variant so you have to throw out all data prior to Nov 2021. When I use different age groups in the link you provided, the numbers imply a pretty small sample size. No deaths since Nov among 39 or younger, strange nonlinearity for 40-59. Not the study from Reuters that I linked, but another with a specific definition of "vaccine effectiveness": During the proxy omicron period, we found a vaccine effectiveness of 70% (95% confidence interval [CI], 62 to 76), a finding that was supported by the results of all sensitivity tests. This measure of vaccine effectiveness was significantly different from that during the comparator period, when the rate was 93% (95% CI, 90 to 94) against hospitalization for Covid-19 (Table 2). [1] https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2119270#:~:text=During%20the%20proxy%20omicron%20period%2C%20we%20found%20a%20vaccine%20effectiveness,results%20of%20all%20sensitivity%20tests https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2119270#:~:text=D....
    - xadhominemx 5y ago
      The Swiss data seems pretty conclusive in favor of my point, as it includes the omicron wave. Also, see the recent nyc hospitalization data, which includes the entire omicron wave (now fading): https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-breakthrough-data https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-breakthrough-data. Note, this raw data understates vaccine efficacy as a relatively high proportion of vaccinated individuals are vaccinate with rather than for COVID. Not sure why the age bracket point is relevant unless you think the vaccines have different relative efficacy within different age brackets for omicron - that was not the case for prior variants.

0xDEEPFAC 5y ago

Yea its hard to argue with Pfizer's data about its own products.

NikolaeVarius 5y ago
- mandmandam 5y ago
  - xadhominemx 5y ago
    This estimate is based on actual death/hospitalization statistics across a number of countries: https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination
    - EricE 5y ago
      Two countries. Now do the same with Israel.
      - xadhominemx 5y ago
        What data are you referring to?
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sharkweek 5y ago

I appreciate why we’re all calling this a mild illness in the grand scheme of things, but I am a healthy individual (vaxed and boosted) who got absolutely creamed by Covid earlier this month for about a week. I was completely useless around the house and am still having trouble getting my breath under me. To be fair I was never worried about having to go to the hospital but this is the sickest I’ve been in at least 10 years.

throwaway1777 5y ago
Getting sick for a week with the flu is common too but we didn’t shut society down for it.
- EricE 5y ago
  No kidding! Got COVID and it sucked. Worth ruining millions of people's lives like we have over the last two years, and are continuing to do? Absolutely not!
  - xadhominemx 5y ago
    Who is “we”? Who’s lives are being ruined? There are essentially no restrictions remaining in the United States for vaccinated individual besides mask mandates in public transit and schools, and those are at worst a minor inconvenience.
    - EricE 5y ago
      Masking, especially with children, is far from a "minor" inconvenience. Especially since kids are the LEAST affected by the virus and the least likely to spread it. Any restrictions on kids or vaccine mandates on them is beyond child abuse at this point. Masking (with cloth) does NOTHING to prevent or even slow the spread of an airborne virus. What it does do is provide a nice physiological equivalent to a baby's pacifier. Tricking people into believing they have some control, when they don't. And why should there be any restrictions for unvaccinated, especially if they have already had the virus? Vaccinated people can get and spread the virus - there is zero scientific basis for treating vaccinated and unvaccinated any differently, especially unvaccinated that have already had COVID - they have better immunity than the "vaccinated". It's all politics; zero science. What's the most disgusting about all of this is blatantly irrational people like you are burning any societal credibility that will be needed if there ever is an event that is really deserving of this kind of a response. Much like the vast overuse of calling people you don't like an -ist or -phobe; those words loose their meaning and significance and make it harder for people really experiencing that stuff to get attention or help. And people wonder why trust in our institutions is at an all time low? Seriously?!?

sumnuyungi 5y ago

SSI paper had Pfizer/Moderna 2 shots at 55.2%/36.7% for Omicron and waning quickly enough to require a booster within 5 months of the last shot. [1] https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/significant-increase-protection-vs-omicron-mrna-boosters-study-says-2021-12-22/ https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/...

xadhominemx 5y ago
This estimate is based on actual death/hospitalization statistics across a number of countries: https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination I believe your quote relates to protection against infection
- sumnuyungi 5y ago
  Omicron is the dominant variant so you have to throw out all data prior to Nov 2021. When I use different age groups in the link you provided, the numbers imply a pretty small sample size. No deaths since Nov among 39 or younger, strange nonlinearity for 40-59. Not the study from Reuters that I linked, but another with a specific definition of "vaccine effectiveness": During the proxy omicron period, we found a vaccine effectiveness of 70% (95% confidence interval [CI], 62 to 76), a finding that was supported by the results of all sensitivity tests. This measure of vaccine effectiveness was significantly different from that during the comparator period, when the rate was 93% (95% CI, 90 to 94) against hospitalization for Covid-19 (Table 2). [1] https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2119270#:~:text=During%20the%20proxy%20omicron%20period%2C%20we%20found%20a%20vaccine%20effectiveness,results%20of%20all%20sensitivity%20tests https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2119270#:~:text=D....
  - xadhominemx 5y ago
    The Swiss data seems pretty conclusive in favor of my point, as it includes the omicron wave. Also, see the recent nyc hospitalization data, which includes the entire omicron wave (now fading): https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-breakthrough-data https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-breakthrough-data. Note, this raw data understates vaccine efficacy as a relatively high proportion of vaccinated individuals are vaccinate with rather than for COVID. Not sure why the age bracket point is relevant unless you think the vaccines have different relative efficacy within different age brackets for omicron - that was not the case for prior variants.