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Where? In the UK hospitals are quiet for this time of year (less than 80% loaded which for the UK is quiet), and deaths are below the 5 year running average.

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dzhiurgis 5y ago
UK has somewhat decent (50%) booster uptake
- OnlyMortal 5y ago
  More than 50% https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/4BCA/production/_122920491_optimised-vaccine_doses_nation_with_booster_20jan-nc.png https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/4BCA/production/...
- iso1210 5y ago
  64.3% currently. 83.9% have had 2 doses.
fpgaminer 5y ago
In the U.S. at least: > There are two states and 618 counties that require circuit breakers (i.e. short-term mitigation measures needed to preserve hospital functioning) at this point because their hospitals are at or above 100% capacity (assuming that the number of staffed beds has not increased in the past week). Medical military personnel have already been dispatched to a number of hospitals across the nation. Nebraska also joined a short list of states that have enacted its Crisis Standards of Care plan. But community-wide efforts to reduce spread desperately need to be taken, too. Fourteen additional states are at high risk of exceeding 100% hospital capacity in the next 1-10 days. Source: https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/state-of-affairs-jan-18 https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/state-of-affa...
- jbirer 5y ago
  Americans also have higher dates of obesity and diabetes though so it doesn't surprise me.
- encoderer 5y ago
  It’s mild. Everybody is getting it and that strains hospitals but it’s a mild illness and many infected people won’t even be tested let alone seek treatment. How much evidence do you need of this being a mild variant?
  - fivea 5y ago
    > It’s mild. Everybody is getting it and that strains hospitals but it’s a mild illness and many infected people won’t even be tested let alone seek treatment. It really is not. It's mild to double- and triple-vaccinated individuals living in highly vaccinated populations. They get the shot, they brush it aside The poor souls who didn't managed to get vaccinated, or didn't wanted to, represent the bulk of the hospitalized population and deaths. The key factor is that the world has spent the last year bulking on vaccines, precisely to allow any infection to be at most mild. And now that we're seeing highly vaccinated populations being exposed and developing mostly mild cases are we now supposed to pretend that vaccines don't exist and the disease suddenly got tame? In whose head does this even compute?
    - encoderer 5y ago
      I believe you truly have bought the full narrative. I’m boosted I’m not anti vax but I’ll give you one data point that contradicts your claim: South Africa vax rate is 52%. Their health officials have declared it to be mild. It’s mild.
      - dang 5y ago
        Please make your substantive points without personal swipes. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - 5y ago
Closi 5y ago
In the UK our healthcare system is overloaded though because of 2 years of lockdown policy postponing any elective surgeries. You are right on your figures though - when you look at excess deaths over 5 years there has been much fewer deaths because of Covid than the official figures would have you believe, but the impact of lockdown will be felt for many years to come.
- native_samples 5y ago
  It is both overloaded and not working at full capacity simultaneously, due to chaotic and foolish rules.
kurthr 5y ago
It would appear that a country that is over 90% vaccinated and 60% boosted is having ~440 deaths a day with roughly 15k admitted to the hospital (ignoring simple ER visits) that week. It's worth noting that the 10% unvaccinated (even though skewed younger) are ~5x overrepresented at ~50% of the hospitalizations. It's about half as high as the peak last Jan although ventilators are less in use and treatments are better. From your dashboard: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
- kurthr 5y ago
  Actually, now I'm intrigued. It would appear that the total annual death rate in the UK is about 135k/yr or 370/day. So the last couple of weeks of the current Omicron wave exceeds the typical average death rate from all causes from 2010-2018 (scaled for population). https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/causesofdeath/articles/leadingcausesofdeathuk/2001to2018 https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthan...
  - MikeAmelung 5y ago
    Close, you're only off by ~465,000
- iso1210 5y ago
  Pre covid, the UK typically had 1400 deaths a day in the winter. It's a little higher at the moment, but nowhere near 400. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1048504/Weekly_report_mortality__W3.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/... Be careful about who is in covid because of non-covid reasons that just happen to have covid, compared with those who are in hospital because of covid.
  - kurthr 5y ago
    Did you look at that plot on page 2? Choosing what certainly looks like a single dramatic outlier point which is 2 weeks older than the dashboard certainly seems like cherry picking. Just look at the current dashboard data it shows ~440 deaths per day for the last 2 weeks. Again: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ Also note that there almost aren't deaths from other flus over the last 2 years, likely because they don't have an R value >1 due to masking etc. Look, I'm all for getting back to normal and letting the unvaccinated (and old, poor, sick) die off as god intended, but let's not pretend it's all due to a lack of joyful evenings in the pub.
iso1210 5y ago
Do you have a link to UK hospitalisation figures?
rich_sasha 5y ago
True, and thank goodness, but also because hospitals kicked out everyone they could ahead of the wave. In a “normal” winter there would be more regular patients in the hospitals.

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dzhiurgis 5y ago

UK has somewhat decent (50%) booster uptake

OnlyMortal 5y ago
More than 50% https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/4BCA/production/_122920491_optimised-vaccine_doses_nation_with_booster_20jan-nc.png https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/4BCA/production/...
iso1210 5y ago
64.3% currently. 83.9% have had 2 doses.

fpgaminer 5y ago

In the U.S. at least: > There are two states and 618 counties that require circuit breakers (i.e. short-term mitigation measures needed to preserve hospital functioning) at this point because their hospitals are at or above 100% capacity (assuming that the number of staffed beds has not increased in the past week). Medical military personnel have already been dispatched to a number of hospitals across the nation. Nebraska also joined a short list of states that have enacted its Crisis Standards of Care plan. But community-wide efforts to reduce spread desperately need to be taken, too. Fourteen additional states are at high risk of exceeding 100% hospital capacity in the next 1-10 days. Source: https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/state-of-affairs-jan-18 https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/state-of-affa...

jbirer 5y ago
Americans also have higher dates of obesity and diabetes though so it doesn't surprise me.
encoderer 5y ago
It’s mild. Everybody is getting it and that strains hospitals but it’s a mild illness and many infected people won’t even be tested let alone seek treatment. How much evidence do you need of this being a mild variant?
- fivea 5y ago
  > It’s mild. Everybody is getting it and that strains hospitals but it’s a mild illness and many infected people won’t even be tested let alone seek treatment. It really is not. It's mild to double- and triple-vaccinated individuals living in highly vaccinated populations. They get the shot, they brush it aside The poor souls who didn't managed to get vaccinated, or didn't wanted to, represent the bulk of the hospitalized population and deaths. The key factor is that the world has spent the last year bulking on vaccines, precisely to allow any infection to be at most mild. And now that we're seeing highly vaccinated populations being exposed and developing mostly mild cases are we now supposed to pretend that vaccines don't exist and the disease suddenly got tame? In whose head does this even compute?
  - encoderer 5y ago
    I believe you truly have bought the full narrative. I’m boosted I’m not anti vax but I’ll give you one data point that contradicts your claim: South Africa vax rate is 52%. Their health officials have declared it to be mild. It’s mild.
    - dang 5y ago
      Please make your substantive points without personal swipes. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - 5y ago

Closi 5y ago

In the UK our healthcare system is overloaded though because of 2 years of lockdown policy postponing any elective surgeries. You are right on your figures though - when you look at excess deaths over 5 years there has been much fewer deaths because of Covid than the official figures would have you believe, but the impact of lockdown will be felt for many years to come.

native_samples 5y ago
It is both overloaded and not working at full capacity simultaneously, due to chaotic and foolish rules.

kurthr 5y ago

It would appear that a country that is over 90% vaccinated and 60% boosted is having ~440 deaths a day with roughly 15k admitted to the hospital (ignoring simple ER visits) that week. It's worth noting that the 10% unvaccinated (even though skewed younger) are ~5x overrepresented at ~50% of the hospitalizations. It's about half as high as the peak last Jan although ventilators are less in use and treatments are better. From your dashboard: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

kurthr 5y ago
Actually, now I'm intrigued. It would appear that the total annual death rate in the UK is about 135k/yr or 370/day. So the last couple of weeks of the current Omicron wave exceeds the typical average death rate from all causes from 2010-2018 (scaled for population). https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/causesofdeath/articles/leadingcausesofdeathuk/2001to2018 https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthan...
- MikeAmelung 5y ago
  Close, you're only off by ~465,000
iso1210 5y ago
Pre covid, the UK typically had 1400 deaths a day in the winter. It's a little higher at the moment, but nowhere near 400. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1048504/Weekly_report_mortality__W3.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/... Be careful about who is in covid because of non-covid reasons that just happen to have covid, compared with those who are in hospital because of covid.
- kurthr 5y ago
  Did you look at that plot on page 2? Choosing what certainly looks like a single dramatic outlier point which is 2 weeks older than the dashboard certainly seems like cherry picking. Just look at the current dashboard data it shows ~440 deaths per day for the last 2 weeks. Again: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ Also note that there almost aren't deaths from other flus over the last 2 years, likely because they don't have an R value >1 due to masking etc. Look, I'm all for getting back to normal and letting the unvaccinated (and old, poor, sick) die off as god intended, but let's not pretend it's all due to a lack of joyful evenings in the pub.

iso1210 5y ago

Do you have a link to UK hospitalisation figures?

rich_sasha 5y ago

True, and thank goodness, but also because hospitals kicked out everyone they could ahead of the wave. In a “normal” winter there would be more regular patients in the hospitals.