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As opposed to artificial immunity?

by NikolaeVarius 5y ago

rgrieselhuber 5y ago
Not sure immunity is what I'd call it but, artificial, yes.
- yladiz 5y ago
  What?
- flatiron 5y ago
  Maybe “artificially evoked natural immunity”?
- NikolaeVarius 5y ago
  By what mechanism do you think vaccines work. Magic?
pcbro141 5y ago
Natural immunity is acquired from exposure to the disease organism through infection with the actual disease. Vaccine-induced immunity is acquired through the introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/immunity-types.htm https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/immunity-types.htm
- qbasic_forever 5y ago
  None of the COVID vaccines in use by the western world use an attenuated virus. The mRNA vaccines were specifically built and engineered to not have many of the pitfalls and issues of attenuated vaccines. The vaccines only contain a synthetic spike protein (or instructions how to make it) which is used to stimulate antibodies against it.
daenz 5y ago
Are you advocating for calling vaccination "natural immunity"? That's a pretty big change in the messaging to date.
- ygjb 5y ago
  Not really. Natural immunity is what anyone who gets vaccinated or infected acquires, assuming that the immune response is successful. Immunity acquired from infection is more regularly referred to as convalescent or infection-induced immunity; moreover the messaging has consistently been that while there have been some studies that convalescent immunity can potentially be as or even more effective than vaccine induced immunity, it comes at a significant increase of complications, ranging from organ damage to the fairly nebulously defined long covid, and most of the studies that are credible in the field that have endorsed the effectiveness of convalescent immunity still recommend vaccination to avoid the potential impacts of even "mild" infections. The rampant claims about so-called natural immunity by people may be drowning out correct or rational voices, but that shouldn't indicate that the messaging has changed, just that the messengers are spreading misinformation.
  - daenz 5y ago
    It is a big change in the messaging, as the director of the CDC as well as fauci use "natural immunity" to refer to immunity acquired through natural infection. I can provide numerous examples of this.
standard458 5y ago
Whole immunity versus GMO immunity?

As opposed to artificial immunity?

rgrieselhuber 5y ago

Not sure immunity is what I'd call it but, artificial, yes.

yladiz 5y ago
What?
flatiron 5y ago
Maybe “artificially evoked natural immunity”?
NikolaeVarius 5y ago
By what mechanism do you think vaccines work. Magic?

pcbro141 5y ago

Natural immunity is acquired from exposure to the disease organism through infection with the actual disease. Vaccine-induced immunity is acquired through the introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/immunity-types.htm https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/immunity-types.htm

qbasic_forever 5y ago
None of the COVID vaccines in use by the western world use an attenuated virus. The mRNA vaccines were specifically built and engineered to not have many of the pitfalls and issues of attenuated vaccines. The vaccines only contain a synthetic spike protein (or instructions how to make it) which is used to stimulate antibodies against it.

daenz 5y ago

Are you advocating for calling vaccination "natural immunity"? That's a pretty big change in the messaging to date.

ygjb 5y ago
Not really. Natural immunity is what anyone who gets vaccinated or infected acquires, assuming that the immune response is successful. Immunity acquired from infection is more regularly referred to as convalescent or infection-induced immunity; moreover the messaging has consistently been that while there have been some studies that convalescent immunity can potentially be as or even more effective than vaccine induced immunity, it comes at a significant increase of complications, ranging from organ damage to the fairly nebulously defined long covid, and most of the studies that are credible in the field that have endorsed the effectiveness of convalescent immunity still recommend vaccination to avoid the potential impacts of even "mild" infections. The rampant claims about so-called natural immunity by people may be drowning out correct or rational voices, but that shouldn't indicate that the messaging has changed, just that the messengers are spreading misinformation.
- daenz 5y ago
  It is a big change in the messaging, as the director of the CDC as well as fauci use "natural immunity" to refer to immunity acquired through natural infection. I can provide numerous examples of this.

standard458 5y ago

Whole immunity versus GMO immunity?