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Natural immunity, what a concept!

by rgrieselhuber 5y ago

NikolaeVarius 5y ago
As opposed to artificial immunity?
- rgrieselhuber 5y ago
  Not sure immunity is what I'd call it but, artificial, yes.
  - yladiz 5y ago
    What?
  - flatiron 5y ago
    Maybe “artificially evoked natural immunity”?
  - NikolaeVarius 5y ago
    By what mechanism do you think vaccines work. Magic?
- pcbro141 5y ago
  Natural immunity is acquired from exposure to the disease organism through infection with the actual disease. Vaccine-induced immunity is acquired through the introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/immunity-types.htm https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/immunity-types.htm
  - qbasic_forever 5y ago
    None of the COVID vaccines in use by the western world use an attenuated virus. The mRNA vaccines were specifically built and engineered to not have many of the pitfalls and issues of attenuated vaccines. The vaccines only contain a synthetic spike protein (or instructions how to make it) which is used to stimulate antibodies against it.
- daenz 5y ago
  Are you advocating for calling vaccination "natural immunity"? That's a pretty big change in the messaging to date.
  - ygjb 5y ago
    Not really. Natural immunity is what anyone who gets vaccinated or infected acquires, assuming that the immune response is successful. Immunity acquired from infection is more regularly referred to as convalescent or infection-induced immunity; moreover the messaging has consistently been that while there have been some studies that convalescent immunity can potentially be as or even more effective than vaccine induced immunity, it comes at a significant increase of complications, ranging from organ damage to the fairly nebulously defined long covid, and most of the studies that are credible in the field that have endorsed the effectiveness of convalescent immunity still recommend vaccination to avoid the potential impacts of even "mild" infections. The rampant claims about so-called natural immunity by people may be drowning out correct or rational voices, but that shouldn't indicate that the messaging has changed, just that the messengers are spreading misinformation.
    - daenz 5y ago
      It is a big change in the messaging, as the director of the CDC as well as fauci use "natural immunity" to refer to immunity acquired through natural infection. I can provide numerous examples of this.
- standard458 5y ago
  Whole immunity versus GMO immunity?
r00fus 5y ago
Don't worry BA.2 is right around the corner and it's not clear if the BA.1 variant (Omicron) gives you immunity to BA.2. Lots of people infected with Delta, also caught Omicron. So yeah, you're immune but possibly not for the next variant, and that variant may be more severe.
- rgrieselhuber 5y ago
  Quick, be afraid!
  - r00fus 5y ago
    I mean it is a global pandemic with millions of dead and new variants that may pose new challenges. Caution? What a surprising concept!
    - rgrieselhuber 5y ago
      Depends on your definition of caution.
      - r00fus 5y ago
        Throwing up your hands and saying "eh, endemic now, might as well open it all up" is definitely not caution.
        rgrieselhuber 5y ago
        As the alternative to the totalitarian measures we've lived through in the last two years, I'll take it every day of the week. The good news is, you can always lock yourself down if it's a concern to you. There's not really any need to go out of the house anymore if you want to set things up that way.

Natural immunity, what a concept!

NikolaeVarius 5y ago

As opposed to artificial immunity?

rgrieselhuber 5y ago
Not sure immunity is what I'd call it but, artificial, yes.
- yladiz 5y ago
  What?
- flatiron 5y ago
  Maybe “artificially evoked natural immunity”?
- NikolaeVarius 5y ago
  By what mechanism do you think vaccines work. Magic?
pcbro141 5y ago
Natural immunity is acquired from exposure to the disease organism through infection with the actual disease. Vaccine-induced immunity is acquired through the introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/immunity-types.htm https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/immunity-types.htm
- qbasic_forever 5y ago
  None of the COVID vaccines in use by the western world use an attenuated virus. The mRNA vaccines were specifically built and engineered to not have many of the pitfalls and issues of attenuated vaccines. The vaccines only contain a synthetic spike protein (or instructions how to make it) which is used to stimulate antibodies against it.
daenz 5y ago
Are you advocating for calling vaccination "natural immunity"? That's a pretty big change in the messaging to date.
- ygjb 5y ago
  Not really. Natural immunity is what anyone who gets vaccinated or infected acquires, assuming that the immune response is successful. Immunity acquired from infection is more regularly referred to as convalescent or infection-induced immunity; moreover the messaging has consistently been that while there have been some studies that convalescent immunity can potentially be as or even more effective than vaccine induced immunity, it comes at a significant increase of complications, ranging from organ damage to the fairly nebulously defined long covid, and most of the studies that are credible in the field that have endorsed the effectiveness of convalescent immunity still recommend vaccination to avoid the potential impacts of even "mild" infections. The rampant claims about so-called natural immunity by people may be drowning out correct or rational voices, but that shouldn't indicate that the messaging has changed, just that the messengers are spreading misinformation.
  - daenz 5y ago
    It is a big change in the messaging, as the director of the CDC as well as fauci use "natural immunity" to refer to immunity acquired through natural infection. I can provide numerous examples of this.
standard458 5y ago
Whole immunity versus GMO immunity?

r00fus 5y ago

Don't worry BA.2 is right around the corner and it's not clear if the BA.1 variant (Omicron) gives you immunity to BA.2. Lots of people infected with Delta, also caught Omicron. So yeah, you're immune but possibly not for the next variant, and that variant may be more severe.

rgrieselhuber 5y ago
Quick, be afraid!
- r00fus 5y ago
  I mean it is a global pandemic with millions of dead and new variants that may pose new challenges. Caution? What a surprising concept!
  - rgrieselhuber 5y ago
    Depends on your definition of caution.
    - r00fus 5y ago
      Throwing up your hands and saying "eh, endemic now, might as well open it all up" is definitely not caution.
      - rgrieselhuber 5y ago
        As the alternative to the totalitarian measures we've lived through in the last two years, I'll take it every day of the week. The good news is, you can always lock yourself down if it's a concern to you. There's not really any need to go out of the house anymore if you want to set things up that way.