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I have natural immunity too. Got it by being vaccinated, instead of taking the much larger risk of being infected. Aside from the higher risk from the disease,

I have natural immunity too. Got it by being vaccinated, instead of taking the much larger risk of being infected. Aside from the higher risk from the disease, there's the risk of infecting others. An infected person can infect others before symptoms appear, so having everyone with low risk get infected creates the possibility of infecting others of high risk, which of course defeats the whole purpose of the immunization effort.

PathOfEclipse 5y ago
Nope. That's vaccine immunity. Let's get our terms right. Also, you can infect others presymptomatically with the vaccine. With omicron, it looks like asymptomatic transmission also occurs. Don't worry. I've researched this. You're not the first person in this world to try to make others feel guilty for not getting the vaccine. The problem is you don't have a ton of science backing your guilt trip.
- vannevar 5y ago
  - spurgu 5y ago
    Vaccine-induced immunity is against the particular spike protein of the first Covid variant. The protection offered by natural immunity is broader than that.
  - PathOfEclipse 5y ago
    You are arguing like a child who thinks she can define words to mean whatever she wants them to. But in reality, words are meant to communicate mutually agreed-upon ideas, and in our reality, these phrases have specific definitions: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/immunity-types.htm https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/immunity-types.htm That I have to spell this out suggests you are either lying to yourself or being disingenous. And the same applies to your argument about trying to make me feel "silly" but not "guilty". And your other arguments. They all seem to stem from self-deceit or insincerity, and suggest that I am wasting my time trying to communicate ideas with you.
    - vannevar 5y ago
  - logic_beats_pro 5y ago
    The only valid one here is: - less personal risk Community risk makes no sense, the vaccine has absolutely no impact on transmission. Disagree? Show me your sources And no need for quarantine after infection if you've been vaccinated? Uh, you might just be irresponsible. Do you also refuse to wear a mask?
    - vannevar 5y ago
      You're talking about getting infected after vaccination. I'm talking about vaccination vs infection as a path to immunity. You can also get infected after getting infected, so it's a wash there.
logic_beats_pro 5y ago
That is referred to as "vaccine derived immunity", look it up. Drastically different from natural immunity.
- tablespoon 5y ago
  >> I have natural immunity too. Got it by being vaccinated, instead of taking the much larger risk of being infected. > That is referred to as "vaccine derived immunity", look it up. Drastically different from natural immunity. Uh, what now? "Drastically different"? Are people who get vaccinated aliens with different kind of immune systems? Natural immunity and vaccine derived immunity are quite similar, since they arise from the same mechanisms. IIRC, the main difference is vaccine derived immunity is more consistent and predictable (e.g. in a lot of cases natural immunity can be inferior).
  - peteradio 5y ago
    They have different priors and according to CDC a prior exposure to Covid yields better protection than vaccine alone, and vaccine in addition to prior exposure does not yield statistical significant reduction in hazard ratio.
    - tablespoon 5y ago
      > They have different priors and according to CDC a prior exposure to Covid yields better protection than vaccine alone, and vaccine in addition to prior exposure does not yield statistical significant reduction in hazard ratio. I wouldn't read too much into that: https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-science-health-centers-for-disease-control-and-prevention-new-york-2b762412eabd9a7eec3b2812d7133e7a https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-science-heal... > The new study’s findings do make sense, said Christine Petersen, a University of Iowa epidemiologist. She said a vaccine developed against an earlier form of the coronavirus is likely to become less and less effective against newer, mutated versions.... > Another thing to consider: The “staunchly unvaccinated” aren’t likely to get tested and the study only included lab-confirmed cases, Wherry said.... > CDC officials noted other limitations. The study was done before the omicron variant took over and before many Americans received booster doses, which have been shown to dramatically amplify protection by raising levels of virus-fighting antibodies. The analysis also did not include information on the severity of past infections, or address the risk of severe illness or death from COVID-19.

PathOfEclipse 5y ago

Nope. That's vaccine immunity. Let's get our terms right. Also, you can infect others presymptomatically with the vaccine. With omicron, it looks like asymptomatic transmission also occurs. Don't worry. I've researched this. You're not the first person in this world to try to make others feel guilty for not getting the vaccine. The problem is you don't have a ton of science backing your guilt trip.

vannevar 5y ago
- spurgu 5y ago
  Vaccine-induced immunity is against the particular spike protein of the first Covid variant. The protection offered by natural immunity is broader than that.
- PathOfEclipse 5y ago
  You are arguing like a child who thinks she can define words to mean whatever she wants them to. But in reality, words are meant to communicate mutually agreed-upon ideas, and in our reality, these phrases have specific definitions: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/immunity-types.htm https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/immunity-types.htm That I have to spell this out suggests you are either lying to yourself or being disingenous. And the same applies to your argument about trying to make me feel "silly" but not "guilty". And your other arguments. They all seem to stem from self-deceit or insincerity, and suggest that I am wasting my time trying to communicate ideas with you.
  - vannevar 5y ago
- logic_beats_pro 5y ago
  The only valid one here is: - less personal risk Community risk makes no sense, the vaccine has absolutely no impact on transmission. Disagree? Show me your sources And no need for quarantine after infection if you've been vaccinated? Uh, you might just be irresponsible. Do you also refuse to wear a mask?
  - vannevar 5y ago
    You're talking about getting infected after vaccination. I'm talking about vaccination vs infection as a path to immunity. You can also get infected after getting infected, so it's a wash there.

logic_beats_pro 5y ago

That is referred to as "vaccine derived immunity", look it up. Drastically different from natural immunity.

tablespoon 5y ago
>> I have natural immunity too. Got it by being vaccinated, instead of taking the much larger risk of being infected. > That is referred to as "vaccine derived immunity", look it up. Drastically different from natural immunity. Uh, what now? "Drastically different"? Are people who get vaccinated aliens with different kind of immune systems? Natural immunity and vaccine derived immunity are quite similar, since they arise from the same mechanisms. IIRC, the main difference is vaccine derived immunity is more consistent and predictable (e.g. in a lot of cases natural immunity can be inferior).
- peteradio 5y ago
  They have different priors and according to CDC a prior exposure to Covid yields better protection than vaccine alone, and vaccine in addition to prior exposure does not yield statistical significant reduction in hazard ratio.
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    > They have different priors and according to CDC a prior exposure to Covid yields better protection than vaccine alone, and vaccine in addition to prior exposure does not yield statistical significant reduction in hazard ratio. I wouldn't read too much into that: https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-science-health-centers-for-disease-control-and-prevention-new-york-2b762412eabd9a7eec3b2812d7133e7a https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-science-heal... > The new study’s findings do make sense, said Christine Petersen, a University of Iowa epidemiologist. She said a vaccine developed against an earlier form of the coronavirus is likely to become less and less effective against newer, mutated versions.... > Another thing to consider: The “staunchly unvaccinated” aren’t likely to get tested and the study only included lab-confirmed cases, Wherry said.... > CDC officials noted other limitations. The study was done before the omicron variant took over and before many Americans received booster doses, which have been shown to dramatically amplify protection by raising levels of virus-fighting antibodies. The analysis also did not include information on the severity of past infections, or address the risk of severe illness or death from COVID-19.