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> better Better is a very personal thing :) I like the ecosystem of ruby, always did and never had a reason to change.

by herbst 5y ago

cpursley 5y ago
Better is server bills that are 1/5 the cost, response times that are 3x faster and reduced complexity (no need for cache or background job servers). Don't get me wrong, I still really like and cut my teeth on Ruby, but there are better options for new projects now.
- weatherlite 5y ago
  That's better performance, not better. Server bills is a pretty ridiculous metric to judge by; most of our server bills are due to the development kubernetes cluster (!), e.g our developers cost more in servers than our whole production setup. So what - should we go back to a monolith running locally then? Why use Elixir and not Go or Rust then if it's only performance you care about, Go has great concurrency and better general performance.
  - cpursley 5y ago
    That's why I said "other alternatives like Elixir". Go is one. Elixir syntax is comfortable (and productive) for Ruby devs and Phoenix for Rails folks. Use what you like.
    - weatherlite 5y ago
      > Use what you like May I? Thanks!
  - mega-tux 5y ago
    ...and let's not forget that performance could be improved in newer versions so it's a bit tricky to say that A is faster than B, period. Particularly, in this new 3.1 version there is a new JIT (YJIT from Shopify guys) that shows up to 22% on railsbench, 39% on liquid-render. And there are alternative implementations like JRuby or GraalVM with diff. in performance.
- weatherlight 5y ago
  I agree. I love ruby, it's my first love. I'd probably reach for Elixir/Phoenix for any new web app projects though. At TuneCore we've already replaced a lot of our micro-services with Elixir/Phoenix/Broadway or Go and we've saved quite a bit of cash of server costs.
  - weatherlite 5y ago
    Wow at TuneCore, really? This is big.
    - weatherlight 5y ago
      We process billions of dollars a year, with 100s of billions of payments where the average payment is under a dollar. Right tool for the right job and all that jazz.

> better Better is a very personal thing :) I like the ecosystem of ruby, always did and never had a reason to change.

by herbst 5y ago

> better Better is a very personal thing :) I like the ecosystem of ruby, always did and never had a reason to change.

Better is server bills that are 1/5 the cost, response times that are 3x faster and reduced complexity (no need for cache or background job servers). Don't get me wrong, I still really like and cut my teeth on Ruby, but there are better options for new projects now.

weatherlite 5y ago
That's better performance, not better. Server bills is a pretty ridiculous metric to judge by; most of our server bills are due to the development kubernetes cluster (!), e.g our developers cost more in servers than our whole production setup. So what - should we go back to a monolith running locally then? Why use Elixir and not Go or Rust then if it's only performance you care about, Go has great concurrency and better general performance.
- cpursley 5y ago
  That's why I said "other alternatives like Elixir". Go is one. Elixir syntax is comfortable (and productive) for Ruby devs and Phoenix for Rails folks. Use what you like.
  - weatherlite 5y ago
    > Use what you like May I? Thanks!
- mega-tux 5y ago
  ...and let's not forget that performance could be improved in newer versions so it's a bit tricky to say that A is faster than B, period. Particularly, in this new 3.1 version there is a new JIT (YJIT from Shopify guys) that shows up to 22% on railsbench, 39% on liquid-render. And there are alternative implementations like JRuby or GraalVM with diff. in performance.
weatherlight 5y ago
I agree. I love ruby, it's my first love. I'd probably reach for Elixir/Phoenix for any new web app projects though. At TuneCore we've already replaced a lot of our micro-services with Elixir/Phoenix/Broadway or Go and we've saved quite a bit of cash of server costs.
- weatherlite 5y ago
  Wow at TuneCore, really? This is big.
  - weatherlight 5y ago
    We process billions of dollars a year, with 100s of billions of payments where the average payment is under a dollar. Right tool for the right job and all that jazz.