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In both of these cases "we" is a group of thousands of people with varying opinions. There are absolutely plenty of people who very much believe in defunding th
by hnaccount141 5y ago
In both of these cases "we" is a group of thousands of people with varying opinions. There are absolutely plenty of people who very much believe in defunding the police and ending work. As both movements have grown more popular we've naturally seen more people who agree with the general spirit of the movement but hold more moderate views.
- Gareth321 5y agoIf someone doesn’t want to defund the police then I don’t see how they can “agree with the general spirit” unless they want to defund the police. It’s in the name. You can equivocate about anything else but not that. Same for anti-work. I suppose you identified the potential problem here: people inferring that “defund the police” doesn’t actually mean “defund the police” and ascribing softer, feel-good intentions which aren’t there.
- andrei_says_ 5y agoI prefer “stop pouring insane amounts of money into police funding and tasking the police force with fixing issues completely unfixable by a police force and instead redirect some of the ridiculously inflated police funds to appropriate solutions.” But it’s a bit long.
- lanfeust6 5y ago"reform the police" is rather short. Not sufficient?
- hnaccount141 5y agoI guess my point is more that I don't think it's actually that common for people to say they want to defund the police but not mean it. I was thinking more of a case like this: If someone is already outraged about police brutality and they see that a "defund the police" rally is happening, there's a greater chance they'll go as it offers them an opportunity to express their general dissatisfaction with the police regardless of whether they agree 100% with the specific ideology of the organizer. When the headline the next day reads "10000 Attend Defund the Police Rally", this leads to the perception that 10000 people believe in defunding the police when the actual number is much smaller
- marcusverus 5y agoThe apologetics are always entertaining. "True, the subreddit is called /r/antiwork. And yes, their motto (right at the top of their page) is "Antiwork: Unemployment for all, not just the rich!". But is it fair to call them "Anti-work"? Have you considered their moderate membership?"
- Apocryphon 5y agoThis website is named Hacker News, yet there is an abundance of content that is neither for nor about hackers, nor news.
- J5892 5y ago"Vaguely Tech-related Information for Programmers" wasn't a catchy enough name.
- Apocryphon 5y agoTurns out "Disgruntled Laborers Mad about Bad Bosses and Toxic Work Environments" is likewise too lengthy.
- ruined 5y agoit's called recuperation. these are different sets of people. "defund" is the progressive recuperation of abolition, and "nobody actually means defund" is the liberal recuperation of that. the process is playing out again with anti-work. it's hard for the radical origins to refuse the attention and alliance, even if it undercuts and defuses them in the end. at least the overton window moves a bit.
- hnaccount141 5y agoI'll definitely agree that that motto and indeed the name of the sub itself are not at all representative of the current state of the sub. It didn't start out that way, but over time as it grew it attracted people who just enjoyed the "shit on your boss" aspect of it without understanding the original message.
- WhompingWindows 5y agoThis is Reddit...this is the Internet...what percentage of these "people" are actually individual humans writing their own beliefs?