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You are doing that right here (narrative with little data). Even the NPR article says "the labor force participation rate remains significantly smaller than be

You are doing that right here (narrative with little data). Even the NPR article says "the labor force participation rate remains significantly smaller than before the pandemic and it's still hard for employers to fill open jobs". There is data to back this up and it's not just a narrative.

duxup 5y ago
The article seems to point to data that provides a variety of reasons. Having said that I'm also not writing a news article so I think the standard for not having data is a bit different. I don't expect any random person on HN to source everything ... like I would a news article.
PragmaticPulp 5y ago
> There is data to back this up and it's not just a narrative. The narrative is directionally correct. The issue is that the media (including NPR) has done everything they can think of to exaggerate it as much as possible. Once you look at the actual numbers it’s not the sea change we’ve been hearing about everywhere. The data is being omitted because the omission leaves more room for imaginations to run with the headlines.
- pixl97 5y ago
  >Once you look at the actual numbers it’s not the sea change we’ve been hearing about everywhere. Ehh, that's debatable and much harder to prove either way. For years before the pandemic there have been complaints from every industry about companies trimming down teams/workforces to the smallest possible size. People were doing the jobs of 2 or 3 people were a common issue that was brought up, if anyone was sick the employer demanded you come to work anyway. And that's when things were good. Now add a large portion of employees being sick at any one time and suddenly the work machine is being driven over capacity and much like an overloaded TCP/IP network, congestion collapse occurs. Even a small change in the most productive employees moving jobs could lead to large disruptions inside of a business. Anecdotally this is something I witnessed. We had pretty low rates of employee attrition during the pandemic, but the employees that did leave were some of the most influential.
- crispyambulance 5y ago
  > The data is being omitted... Looking at just the NPR article. The data is NOT "being omitted". As far as I can tell they've backed up all of their assertions in the article and are not exaggerating anything and the claims made seem reasonable. If you want "pure data" there's plenty of sources out there, albeit with little-to-none in the way of interpretation. Those of us who aren't experts in labor economics actually need a bit of context and interpretation.
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duxup 5y ago

The article seems to point to data that provides a variety of reasons. Having said that I'm also not writing a news article so I think the standard for not having data is a bit different. I don't expect any random person on HN to source everything ... like I would a news article.

PragmaticPulp 5y ago

> There is data to back this up and it's not just a narrative. The narrative is directionally correct. The issue is that the media (including NPR) has done everything they can think of to exaggerate it as much as possible. Once you look at the actual numbers it’s not the sea change we’ve been hearing about everywhere. The data is being omitted because the omission leaves more room for imaginations to run with the headlines.

pixl97 5y ago
>Once you look at the actual numbers it’s not the sea change we’ve been hearing about everywhere. Ehh, that's debatable and much harder to prove either way. For years before the pandemic there have been complaints from every industry about companies trimming down teams/workforces to the smallest possible size. People were doing the jobs of 2 or 3 people were a common issue that was brought up, if anyone was sick the employer demanded you come to work anyway. And that's when things were good. Now add a large portion of employees being sick at any one time and suddenly the work machine is being driven over capacity and much like an overloaded TCP/IP network, congestion collapse occurs. Even a small change in the most productive employees moving jobs could lead to large disruptions inside of a business. Anecdotally this is something I witnessed. We had pretty low rates of employee attrition during the pandemic, but the employees that did leave were some of the most influential.
crispyambulance 5y ago
> The data is being omitted... Looking at just the NPR article. The data is NOT "being omitted". As far as I can tell they've backed up all of their assertions in the article and are not exaggerating anything and the claims made seem reasonable. If you want "pure data" there's plenty of sources out there, albeit with little-to-none in the way of interpretation. Those of us who aren't experts in labor economics actually need a bit of context and interpretation.
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