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It's surprising that it's built-in on iPhone (though unsurprising that e.g. the support built into iCloud is so poorly documented). Generally, supporting open

It's surprising that it's built-in on iPhone (though unsurprising that e.g. the support built into iCloud is so poorly documented). Generally, supporting open interoperable standards that make switching providers easy is bad for business, so I'm generally a lot more surprised at where it is supported, rather than at where it isn't. FWIW I sync my Android data with my iPhone (personal -v- work devices) using the FDroid DAVx⁵ and ICSx⁵ apps, rather than the author's one-time export solution, and they seem to work ok.

neoglow 5y ago
> Generally, supporting open interoperable standards that make switching providers easy is bad for business, so I'm generally a lot more surprised at where it is supported, rather than at where it isn't. Exactly this. Google makes it very, very easy to have everything synced to a Google account on Android devices: just log in and it just works. You contacts, mail and calendar are all immediately available on your new device. If they'd implement CalDAV in an easy manner, it would probably be a more viable option for less tech-savvy people. What the parent commenter said: from a business perspective it doesn't make sense to implement it. Fortunately there are some good, relatively simple to use apps available to implement it for us. >rather than the author's one-time export solution, and they seem to work ok. The reason why a simple one-time export was my go-to solution, is because I really don't want my data on Google's servers. In the blogpost I explain how to import the data to Nextcloud and use that as a 'single source of truth'. Other devices can then sync up to your nextcloud instance. I don't have an iPhone, so I'm not sure how/if this would work on iOS, but I am sure that it's possible to sync it up in a similar manner.
neurobashing 5y ago
It's not surprising at all since Apple was foundational in the specs: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc4791 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc4791
wartijn_ 5y ago
> Generally, supporting open interoperable standards that make switching providers easy is bad for business It was one of the reasons I switched from Android to an iPhone. It's really annoying to use Android if you don't want to use Gmail and Google Calendar, while on iOS it's super easy to use a third party for email, calendar and password manager. But that's of course just an anecdote, I'm sure you're right and it in general bad for business.
- emteycz 5y ago
  I have a completely Google-free Android, and never had a problem. Is it really that bad to install an app? I like the choice.
  - mayco4444 5y ago
    Would you please give a link to how do make my phone gogle-free. thank you.
    - emteycz 5y ago
      You need to unlock your bootloader, install custom recovery (TWRP) and then install a custom ROM (I use LineageOS). It's optional to install Google into AOSP-based ROMs. You need to find instructions based on your specific device. Each one is different.
      - mayco4444 5y ago
        Thank you! I am searching for guiding websites and also LineageOS.
    - tata71 5y ago
      Buy cheap Pixel on swappa.com GrapheneOS.org
  - wartijn_ 5y ago
    Installing an app is no problem, and I was using a calendar app that worked okay. But I was unable to find an email app that I liked and all the password manager apps worked (or work) by (ab)using an accessibility feature that had a pretty severe impact on the performance of my phone. And uninstalling an app is impossible on stock Android, if that app is made by Google.To achieve that I had to unlock the boot loader of my phone, for which there was no official method. Meanwhile on iOS I can use the default mail and calendar apps that work fine and my password manager integrates perfectly with the os, while I don't need to use iCloud at all if I don't want to. Those 3 apps weren't the only reason to switch from os, but they did make the choice for, and switching to, iOS a lot easier.
flas9sd 5y ago
you're right, iphone can have carddav accounts, but you can't migrate easily to a selfhosted carddav account even on Apple. If you want to transfer contacts from the main addressbook you have to go through iCloud and export to vcf for a full take, last time I checked on iOS 12 I wasn't able to copy between addressbooks. Sorry if this has changed.
- tinus_hn 5y ago
  Do you not have a PC that you can use for that?
  - flas9sd 5y ago
    yes, using itunes is a third option. But while Android can't do other carddav accounts by itself, you can export the .vcf on-device. So while Apple offers to embed another carddav account, the migration story is not better but worse.

neoglow 5y ago

> Generally, supporting open interoperable standards that make switching providers easy is bad for business, so I'm generally a lot more surprised at where it is supported, rather than at where it isn't. Exactly this. Google makes it very, very easy to have everything synced to a Google account on Android devices: just log in and it just works. You contacts, mail and calendar are all immediately available on your new device. If they'd implement CalDAV in an easy manner, it would probably be a more viable option for less tech-savvy people. What the parent commenter said: from a business perspective it doesn't make sense to implement it. Fortunately there are some good, relatively simple to use apps available to implement it for us. >rather than the author's one-time export solution, and they seem to work ok. The reason why a simple one-time export was my go-to solution, is because I really don't want my data on Google's servers. In the blogpost I explain how to import the data to Nextcloud and use that as a 'single source of truth'. Other devices can then sync up to your nextcloud instance. I don't have an iPhone, so I'm not sure how/if this would work on iOS, but I am sure that it's possible to sync it up in a similar manner.

neurobashing 5y ago

It's not surprising at all since Apple was foundational in the specs: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc4791 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc4791

wartijn_ 5y ago

> Generally, supporting open interoperable standards that make switching providers easy is bad for business It was one of the reasons I switched from Android to an iPhone. It's really annoying to use Android if you don't want to use Gmail and Google Calendar, while on iOS it's super easy to use a third party for email, calendar and password manager. But that's of course just an anecdote, I'm sure you're right and it in general bad for business.

emteycz 5y ago
I have a completely Google-free Android, and never had a problem. Is it really that bad to install an app? I like the choice.
- mayco4444 5y ago
  Would you please give a link to how do make my phone gogle-free. thank you.
  - emteycz 5y ago
    You need to unlock your bootloader, install custom recovery (TWRP) and then install a custom ROM (I use LineageOS). It's optional to install Google into AOSP-based ROMs. You need to find instructions based on your specific device. Each one is different.
    - mayco4444 5y ago
      Thank you! I am searching for guiding websites and also LineageOS.
  - tata71 5y ago
    Buy cheap Pixel on swappa.com GrapheneOS.org
- wartijn_ 5y ago
  Installing an app is no problem, and I was using a calendar app that worked okay. But I was unable to find an email app that I liked and all the password manager apps worked (or work) by (ab)using an accessibility feature that had a pretty severe impact on the performance of my phone. And uninstalling an app is impossible on stock Android, if that app is made by Google.To achieve that I had to unlock the boot loader of my phone, for which there was no official method. Meanwhile on iOS I can use the default mail and calendar apps that work fine and my password manager integrates perfectly with the os, while I don't need to use iCloud at all if I don't want to. Those 3 apps weren't the only reason to switch from os, but they did make the choice for, and switching to, iOS a lot easier.

flas9sd 5y ago

you're right, iphone can have carddav accounts, but you can't migrate easily to a selfhosted carddav account even on Apple. If you want to transfer contacts from the main addressbook you have to go through iCloud and export to vcf for a full take, last time I checked on iOS 12 I wasn't able to copy between addressbooks. Sorry if this has changed.

tinus_hn 5y ago
Do you not have a PC that you can use for that?
- flas9sd 5y ago
  yes, using itunes is a third option. But while Android can't do other carddav accounts by itself, you can export the .vcf on-device. So while Apple offers to embed another carddav account, the migration story is not better but worse.