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> After a while you'll notice you are sending everything back. What about shipping costs? When you're buying something the seller is usually paying for that in

> After a while you'll notice you are sending everything back. What about shipping costs? When you're buying something the seller is usually paying for that in bulk and including it in the retail price to boast "0-cost shipping". Surely buyers can't possibly afford sending everything back.

capableweb 5y ago
> Surely buyers can't possibly afford sending everything back. What country you live in with so poor online protections you can't return things within the return window without incurring extra costs for doing so? Sounds broken.
- vladvasiliu 5y ago
  In France, for example, it's legal for the customer to be on the hook for return shipping. This is often the case with smaller merchants, but even bigger ones have this policy. Example: Darty [0] So if you have to pay for the crap to be shipped all the way back to China, I can see how that may become expensive. [0] Darty return policy, in French: https://www.darty.com/achat/services/retour-retractation/index.html https://www.darty.com/achat/services/retour-retractation/ind...
- PragmaticPulp 5y ago
  > What country you live in with so poor online protections you can't return things within the return window without incurring extra costs for doing so? Sounds broken. The sellers are in China and the products are ordered internationally. The sellers don’t care about your local return laws.
  - Dah00n 5y ago
    Then the fix is simple. Buy it locally or from a company from there. They might not care but then the local seller (amazon for example) is on the hook (in any country with a proper customer protection at least).
- rtkwe 5y ago
  Return shipping is usually up to the customer and shipping back to China is much more expensive than the initial China to the US charges. Sometimes it exceeds the cost of the item itself to try to send it back so it's just cheaper to eat the loss.
  - jimmaswell 5y ago
    > Return shipping is usually up to the customer Not for orders from Amazon or Wal Mart, the two biggest places you'd tend to buy cheap Chinese products from.
    - rtkwe 5y ago
      That's down to store policies though not any legal requirement. And in the case of Walmart you're not shipping back to China anyways you ship back to some distribution hub/return center in the US. Amazon too often the products are staged and returned to the US.
Clubber 5y ago
He offers a simple solution in the first paragraph. >everyone should avoid Chinese crapware.

capableweb 5y ago

> Surely buyers can't possibly afford sending everything back. What country you live in with so poor online protections you can't return things within the return window without incurring extra costs for doing so? Sounds broken.

vladvasiliu 5y ago
In France, for example, it's legal for the customer to be on the hook for return shipping. This is often the case with smaller merchants, but even bigger ones have this policy. Example: Darty [0] So if you have to pay for the crap to be shipped all the way back to China, I can see how that may become expensive. [0] Darty return policy, in French: https://www.darty.com/achat/services/retour-retractation/index.html https://www.darty.com/achat/services/retour-retractation/ind...
PragmaticPulp 5y ago
> What country you live in with so poor online protections you can't return things within the return window without incurring extra costs for doing so? Sounds broken. The sellers are in China and the products are ordered internationally. The sellers don’t care about your local return laws.
- Dah00n 5y ago
  Then the fix is simple. Buy it locally or from a company from there. They might not care but then the local seller (amazon for example) is on the hook (in any country with a proper customer protection at least).
rtkwe 5y ago
Return shipping is usually up to the customer and shipping back to China is much more expensive than the initial China to the US charges. Sometimes it exceeds the cost of the item itself to try to send it back so it's just cheaper to eat the loss.
- jimmaswell 5y ago
  > Return shipping is usually up to the customer Not for orders from Amazon or Wal Mart, the two biggest places you'd tend to buy cheap Chinese products from.
  - rtkwe 5y ago
    That's down to store policies though not any legal requirement. And in the case of Walmart you're not shipping back to China anyways you ship back to some distribution hub/return center in the US. Amazon too often the products are staged and returned to the US.

Clubber 5y ago

He offers a simple solution in the first paragraph. >everyone should avoid Chinese crapware.