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> 5. This means, the after ARM gets owned by a US company, the US can possibly just cut-off ARM supply to China China has already hijacked the ARM branch in Ch

> 5. This means, the after ARM gets owned by a US company, the US can possibly just cut-off ARM supply to China China has already hijacked the ARM branch in China[1] and taken over ARM's IP. [1] https://semianalysis.com/the-semiconductor-heist-of-the-century-arm-china-has-gone-completely-rogue-operating-as-an-independent-company-with-their-own-ip/ https://semianalysis.com/the-semiconductor-heist-of-the-cent...

greatpatton 5y ago
Seems that it's not as simple as mentioned here: https://www.extremetech.com/computing/326617-arm-refutes-accusations-of-ip-theft-by-its-arm-china-subsidiary https://www.extremetech.com/computing/326617-arm-refutes-acc...
- ksec 5y ago
  The article is a very very strange read. ( At least the tone of it, may be under legal threat ) Yes, ARM China didn't steal any ARM UK's IP. But ARM China is also no longer under the control of ARM UK, practically speaking. And the New IP offered by ARM China are also independent of ARM UK. I am wondering if the deal with ARM China and ARM UK are the same as AMD's JV, where China currently has AMD Zen's IP. Given the people involved I would not be surprised. ARM UK are also well aware of the RISC-V threat, which China is currently pouring all the resources into it. I would not be surprised if you see a free high performance RISC-V IP offered by China just to destroy the ARM market along with some other x86 market. The threat is real. But then again HN will rejoice because it is free and RISC-V.
  - Taniwha 5y ago
    China? already done https://riscv.org/news/2021/10/alibaba-announces-open-source-risc-v-based-xuantie-series-processors-pandaily/ https://riscv.org/news/2021/10/alibaba-announces-open-source... New Zealand too ..... https://github.com/MoonbaseOtago/vroom https://github.com/MoonbaseOtago/vroom
ssl232 5y ago
On the topic of China and IP, I watched an interesting debate on China between two politicians recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEchkn3unl8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEchkn3unl8. Funnily Vince Cable, arguing in favour of China as a friend to the West, defended their IP offences saying this is what lots of Western nations did to each other (and, arguably, though he doesn't make a big deal of it, China) on the way to becoming fully developed.
- halpert 5y ago
  Has he heard of a zero sum game?

greatpatton 5y ago

Seems that it's not as simple as mentioned here: https://www.extremetech.com/computing/326617-arm-refutes-accusations-of-ip-theft-by-its-arm-china-subsidiary https://www.extremetech.com/computing/326617-arm-refutes-acc...

ksec 5y ago
The article is a very very strange read. ( At least the tone of it, may be under legal threat ) Yes, ARM China didn't steal any ARM UK's IP. But ARM China is also no longer under the control of ARM UK, practically speaking. And the New IP offered by ARM China are also independent of ARM UK. I am wondering if the deal with ARM China and ARM UK are the same as AMD's JV, where China currently has AMD Zen's IP. Given the people involved I would not be surprised. ARM UK are also well aware of the RISC-V threat, which China is currently pouring all the resources into it. I would not be surprised if you see a free high performance RISC-V IP offered by China just to destroy the ARM market along with some other x86 market. The threat is real. But then again HN will rejoice because it is free and RISC-V.
- Taniwha 5y ago
  China? already done https://riscv.org/news/2021/10/alibaba-announces-open-source-risc-v-based-xuantie-series-processors-pandaily/ https://riscv.org/news/2021/10/alibaba-announces-open-source... New Zealand too ..... https://github.com/MoonbaseOtago/vroom https://github.com/MoonbaseOtago/vroom

ssl232 5y ago

On the topic of China and IP, I watched an interesting debate on China between two politicians recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEchkn3unl8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEchkn3unl8. Funnily Vince Cable, arguing in favour of China as a friend to the West, defended their IP offences saying this is what lots of Western nations did to each other (and, arguably, though he doesn't make a big deal of it, China) on the way to becoming fully developed.

halpert 5y ago
Has he heard of a zero sum game?