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This, together the news that North Korea also has weaponized marine mammals, makes me more saddened than from the usual dismal news we hear. Even the primal inn

by dsq 5y ago

This, together the news that North Korea also has weaponized marine mammals, makes me more saddened than from the usual dismal news we hear. Even the primal innocent are being roped into our primate rivalries. It gets even worse, as each side in such an umderwater war will blast away every cetacean it detects, just in case.

signa11 5y ago
''' Even the primal innocent are being roped into our primate rivalries. ''' what's your opinion of say, horses used in olden times (heck till about WW-I, quite extensively) in battle ?
- bitxbitxbitcoin 5y ago
  Or current K-9 units?
  - anon_123g987 5y ago
    Cops still use horses, too. And routinely kill suspects' dogs (https://www.criminallegalnews.org/news/2018/jun/16/doj-police-shooting-family-dogs-has-become-epidemic/ https://www.criminallegalnews.org/news/2018/jun/16/doj-polic...).
  - throwaway032342 5y ago
    They are often used to maul people maliciously by cowards so yeah also bad
- dsq 5y ago
  The accounts of horses in war are quite horrific, and their replacement by machines in the role of war transports is gratifying.
  - DaltonCoffee 5y ago
    Indeed, the horror of their long history of participation in our primate wars puts their modern militarization in perspective. Is the modern military's exploitation of animals actually significant compared to any other time in human history?
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juanani 5y ago
adolph 5y ago
Is there something about cetaceans that saddens more than canidae, columbidae, equidae, or "sapiens?"
- bitxbitxbitcoin 5y ago
  For some people I have met, the answer seems to be yes. There are definitely people that would rather spend their mindshare improving the animal condition than the human condition.
  - maccard 5y ago
    > rather spend their mindshare improving the animal condition than the human condition. How does arming dolphins improve the human condition?
    - loeg 5y ago
      Someone could make a compelling argument that US' global military dominance imposes a kind of Pax Americana that is net beneficial to the human condition, and this is one limb of that military dominance.
      - thizzbuzz 5y ago
      - l-albertovich 5y ago
        I think you'll need to repeat that a little bit louder beacuse it seems like they didn't get the news in the middle east.
        loeg 5y ago
        I'm not making the argument myself; it's just one I could imagine being compelling.
    - toss1 5y ago

by dsq 5y ago

signa11 5y ago

''' Even the primal innocent are being roped into our primate rivalries. ''' what's your opinion of say, horses used in olden times (heck till about WW-I, quite extensively) in battle ?

bitxbitxbitcoin 5y ago
Or current K-9 units?
- anon_123g987 5y ago
  Cops still use horses, too. And routinely kill suspects' dogs (https://www.criminallegalnews.org/news/2018/jun/16/doj-police-shooting-family-dogs-has-become-epidemic/ https://www.criminallegalnews.org/news/2018/jun/16/doj-polic...).
- throwaway032342 5y ago
  They are often used to maul people maliciously by cowards so yeah also bad
dsq 5y ago
The accounts of horses in war are quite horrific, and their replacement by machines in the role of war transports is gratifying.
- DaltonCoffee 5y ago
  Indeed, the horror of their long history of participation in our primate wars puts their modern militarization in perspective. Is the modern military's exploitation of animals actually significant compared to any other time in human history?

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juanani 5y ago

adolph 5y ago

Is there something about cetaceans that saddens more than canidae, columbidae, equidae, or "sapiens?"

bitxbitxbitcoin 5y ago
For some people I have met, the answer seems to be yes. There are definitely people that would rather spend their mindshare improving the animal condition than the human condition.
- maccard 5y ago
  > rather spend their mindshare improving the animal condition than the human condition. How does arming dolphins improve the human condition?
  - loeg 5y ago
    Someone could make a compelling argument that US' global military dominance imposes a kind of Pax Americana that is net beneficial to the human condition, and this is one limb of that military dominance.
    - thizzbuzz 5y ago
    - l-albertovich 5y ago
      I think you'll need to repeat that a little bit louder beacuse it seems like they didn't get the news in the middle east.
      - loeg 5y ago
        I'm not making the argument myself; it's just one I could imagine being compelling.
  - toss1 5y ago