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how would you feel if the government decided to give you a vaccine card if you get a positive antibody test instead of getting the vaccine? Would requiring to

• JPKab 5y ago
  This is what they do in Europe. I'm not particularly thrilled with public health authorities using coercion. It would solve my needs, sure, but I just think it's counterproductive in the long term. The most effective way to guarantee that rednecks will absolutely never do a thing is to tell them they have to do it. This actually doesn't just apply to rural white Americans, but also many other people who are from "honor cultures". Nortenos fall into this category and they are a very high percentage of Latinos in the United States. These are cultures that for historical reasons have absolute hatred of centralized authority. Black Americans in the South and their descendants in many Northern cities also fall into this category. It is truly self-defeating. I can assure you that I know a medical doctor who is fully licensed and runs several clinics and he offered to take me into his office, inject the vaccine syringe into the sink and then write in his records that I was vaccinated and provide me a card. I did not take him up on this because I wanted to make sure that I would feel the pain of the law as an example to my kids. He himself is fully vaccinated but he is completely against the mandate for reasons of principle. How many more are like him? Are we going to do something to prevent doctors like him from doing this? What kind of enforcement will that take? If politicians that most hn readers dislike take over the federal government are they going to be able to use these enforcement mechanisms to outlaw abortion? Regarding putting the life of your family in danger, I don't think the science supports this, at least not with the current vaccine. It doesn't appear to have markedly diminished transmissibility for Delta and doesn't appear to have any form of reduction for omicron. However, for the original variant, I think it was completely fair to talk about unvaccinated people being the primary carriers, and therefore putting other people at risk. But it does call into question the fact that a vaccine that requires you to still be afraid of other people who haven't had that vaccine isn't really much of a vaccine is it??
  • skyde 5y ago
    With current variant "omicron" you are still 11x to 40x more likely to get hospitalized if you are not vaccinated. So because I am vaccinated I am 11 times less likely to get sick and this is enough for me to not be personally afraid. But I am afraid for my 4 years old son who still cannot get the vaccine and is at extreme risk of pneumonia if he get a regular cold because of a previous lung injury. So if he get corvid he is almost guarantee to be hospitalized for this reason it make sense to not hang-out with a bunch of people that are 11 time more likely to be carriers. Regarding your original point "The most effective way to guarantee that rednecks will absolutely never do a thing is to tell them they have to do it" If this is true how come they still file income tax returns, wouldn't they instead decide not to do it because you told them they are required to do it ?