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> And right out of the box now, no support for Go files, not even syntax coloring, and it thinks go.mod is a media file and won't display its text. I just had

by jamil7 5y ago

> And right out of the box now, no support for Go files, not even syntax coloring, and it thinks go.mod is a media file and won't display its text. I just had a similar experience, no Go or Swift (ok understandable maybe) support out of the box. But I paid for it it anyway since I like what they’re going for and have admired the company for a long time.

biztos 5y ago
I wouldn't mind not having support for any given $POPULAR_LANGUAGE out of the box -- maybe there are license issues with that -- as long as there is a good extension and it was super easy to find. Easy to find means if I open a .go file or relevant directory, the app should ask me if I want to install support for Go files. And it should have One Approved Extension, the others should be available on request (as all are now). If there's no good extension for a common language, I think it's on Panic to convince the community to make one, or make one themselves. One way of convincing the community would be to make it easy! (A quick look at the comments in the extension READMEs strongly implies Panic has not made it easy. The updates to the Go extensions are ~ 6 months old.) So what's a common language? You could probably use GitHub to figure that out. If Go doesn't qualify then OK, I'll go back to my cave, but I think baking in CoffeeScript instead is pretty arbitrary.
- sterlind 5y ago
  I think they're just heavily and narrowly targeting webdevs. Python for Django, Ruby for Rails, PHP, then a whole bunch of CSS/React-y stuff I'm not too familiar with. I'm sure people use Go for back ends, but it's more for systems right?
  - laumars 5y ago
    Backend web dev has been cited as one of the key reasons Google wanted to create Go.
  - m_fayer 5y ago
    When I looked at the list of natively-supported languages, which are not only webdev-focused but also exclusively dynamically-typed, I felt a blast-from-the-past from around a decade ago. Back when Mac-armed developers writing rails apps were culturally ascendant, and statically typed languages and SQL were uncool corporate dinosaurs. Maybe this company is still living in that time...
  - biztos 5y ago
    > narrowly targeting webdevs That’s the impression I get as well, but it’s a shame since MacBooks are super popular among back-end engineers. I would even speculate that by now, Mac-centric web devs are handily outnumbered by non-web devs (plus web devs doing backend stuff in Go, Rust, whatever). I get that maybe Panic just doesn’t see that as their natural market, but I really love the polish of their apps and do wish Nova (or back in the day, Coda) met my needs.
    - ehutch79 5y ago
      Nova feels like its target demographic is 'coda users with 5 more years of experience'. Coda's demographic is really just wordpress developers who know just enough php to be dangerous.
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phgn 5y ago
Interestingly, when I first saw this thread I thought Nova was an alternative to XCode. An actual native alternative for writing Swift -- Panic seems like in the best position to do that. But no, webdev it is.

by jamil7 5y ago

biztos 5y ago

I wouldn't mind not having support for any given $POPULAR_LANGUAGE out of the box -- maybe there are license issues with that -- as long as there is a good extension and it was super easy to find. Easy to find means if I open a .go file or relevant directory, the app should ask me if I want to install support for Go files. And it should have One Approved Extension, the others should be available on request (as all are now). If there's no good extension for a common language, I think it's on Panic to convince the community to make one, or make one themselves. One way of convincing the community would be to make it easy! (A quick look at the comments in the extension READMEs strongly implies Panic has not made it easy. The updates to the Go extensions are ~ 6 months old.) So what's a common language? You could probably use GitHub to figure that out. If Go doesn't qualify then OK, I'll go back to my cave, but I think baking in CoffeeScript instead is pretty arbitrary.

sterlind 5y ago
I think they're just heavily and narrowly targeting webdevs. Python for Django, Ruby for Rails, PHP, then a whole bunch of CSS/React-y stuff I'm not too familiar with. I'm sure people use Go for back ends, but it's more for systems right?
- laumars 5y ago
  Backend web dev has been cited as one of the key reasons Google wanted to create Go.
- m_fayer 5y ago
  When I looked at the list of natively-supported languages, which are not only webdev-focused but also exclusively dynamically-typed, I felt a blast-from-the-past from around a decade ago. Back when Mac-armed developers writing rails apps were culturally ascendant, and statically typed languages and SQL were uncool corporate dinosaurs. Maybe this company is still living in that time...
- biztos 5y ago
  > narrowly targeting webdevs That’s the impression I get as well, but it’s a shame since MacBooks are super popular among back-end engineers. I would even speculate that by now, Mac-centric web devs are handily outnumbered by non-web devs (plus web devs doing backend stuff in Go, Rust, whatever). I get that maybe Panic just doesn’t see that as their natural market, but I really love the polish of their apps and do wish Nova (or back in the day, Coda) met my needs.
  - ehutch79 5y ago
    Nova feels like its target demographic is 'coda users with 5 more years of experience'. Coda's demographic is really just wordpress developers who know just enough php to be dangerous.

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phgn 5y ago

Interestingly, when I first saw this thread I thought Nova was an alternative to XCode. An actual native alternative for writing Swift -- Panic seems like in the best position to do that. But no, webdev it is.