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I don't mind native apps, but if the trade-off is that it's platform exclusive then that's unacceptable in 2022. Platform exclusivity is such a massive step bac

I don't mind native apps, but if the trade-off is that it's platform exclusive then that's unacceptable in 2022. Platform exclusivity is such a massive step backwards.

theonemind 5y ago
different strokes for different folks. I don't mind cross platform, but I find Electron unacceptable in any year as a massive step backwards in UI and usability. (Not that you mentioned any Electron-based competitors by name, but a lot of cross-platform big-name competition in the text editor space does use Electron, like VS Code, Atom, and Brackets.)
- chrysoprace 5y ago
  The competition they have to beat is VSCode and JetBrains - nothing else compares. Yes, VSCode is based on Electron but it shows that it can work well. That's the competition they have to beat. If I can't use an IDE because it's locked to a proprietary OS that requires me to buy specialty hardware to run it then it loses by default.
  - spiderice 5y ago
    To echo what GP said, different strokes for different folks. For me I love that it's Mac native (whereas VSCode and JetBrains aren't, and it shows). I use nothing but Macs, and that isn't changing any time soon. Nothing but great for me.
alwillis 5y ago
I’ve loved Panic for a long time, going back to Audion back in the day. Nova is the artisanal indie Mac app at its best. But unless your use case is exactly what Nova was designed to do, it doesn’t quite meet your needs. Like a lot of people have essentially said, I love the concept of Nova, but it didn’t quite measure up. In the meanwhile, Neovim (my primary editor) has really taken off and while some of the GUIs for it are great, they don’t have the fit and finish and polish of something like Nova. Now if someone were to create a Panic-like UI/UX for Neovim, I’d pay for that in a heartbeat.
kaladin-jasnah 5y ago
Electron isn't the solution, but the fact that advocating for multiplatform usage on HN as opposed to boutique special Macs (because "I only use Macs and I love Macs") gets you (well, it was downvoted) downvoted is really sad. I only joined this community after the Apple CSAM incident after noticing this community began to lose their unyielding fanboyism for Apple products and began to adopt a more reasonable view on a megacorporation. Seriously, what is wrong with this comment? Genuinely curious.
- Cyberdog 5y ago
  > Seriously, what is wrong with this comment? Genuinely curious. Well, for one, it's telling another (highly successful) company how to run their business. But also, I am a web developer who's been developing on Macs for all of my professional career and most of my hobbyist years before that. It's very unlikely I'll use anything else at least for the foreseeable future. I am grateful that there's at least one company that is making a decent Mac-native editor to help me do my work. Work done to port this to other platforms would be wasted on me, and at any rate cross-platform applications are great in theory, but in practice they, or at least their Mac ports, are very rarely well implemented and almost always stick out like a sore thumb when it comes to UX. At any rate, if one really wants to shame companies that make single-platform software, there are a wealth of them doing that for Windows.

I don't mind native apps, but if the trade-off is that it's platform exclusive then that's unacceptable in 2022. Platform exclusivity is such a massive step backwards.

theonemind 5y ago

different strokes for different folks. I don't mind cross platform, but I find Electron unacceptable in any year as a massive step backwards in UI and usability. (Not that you mentioned any Electron-based competitors by name, but a lot of cross-platform big-name competition in the text editor space does use Electron, like VS Code, Atom, and Brackets.)

chrysoprace 5y ago
The competition they have to beat is VSCode and JetBrains - nothing else compares. Yes, VSCode is based on Electron but it shows that it can work well. That's the competition they have to beat. If I can't use an IDE because it's locked to a proprietary OS that requires me to buy specialty hardware to run it then it loses by default.
- spiderice 5y ago
  To echo what GP said, different strokes for different folks. For me I love that it's Mac native (whereas VSCode and JetBrains aren't, and it shows). I use nothing but Macs, and that isn't changing any time soon. Nothing but great for me.

alwillis 5y ago

I’ve loved Panic for a long time, going back to Audion back in the day. Nova is the artisanal indie Mac app at its best. But unless your use case is exactly what Nova was designed to do, it doesn’t quite meet your needs. Like a lot of people have essentially said, I love the concept of Nova, but it didn’t quite measure up. In the meanwhile, Neovim (my primary editor) has really taken off and while some of the GUIs for it are great, they don’t have the fit and finish and polish of something like Nova. Now if someone were to create a Panic-like UI/UX for Neovim, I’d pay for that in a heartbeat.

kaladin-jasnah 5y ago

Electron isn't the solution, but the fact that advocating for multiplatform usage on HN as opposed to boutique special Macs (because "I only use Macs and I love Macs") gets you (well, it was downvoted) downvoted is really sad. I only joined this community after the Apple CSAM incident after noticing this community began to lose their unyielding fanboyism for Apple products and began to adopt a more reasonable view on a megacorporation. Seriously, what is wrong with this comment? Genuinely curious.

Cyberdog 5y ago
> Seriously, what is wrong with this comment? Genuinely curious. Well, for one, it's telling another (highly successful) company how to run their business. But also, I am a web developer who's been developing on Macs for all of my professional career and most of my hobbyist years before that. It's very unlikely I'll use anything else at least for the foreseeable future. I am grateful that there's at least one company that is making a decent Mac-native editor to help me do my work. Work done to port this to other platforms would be wasted on me, and at any rate cross-platform applications are great in theory, but in practice they, or at least their Mac ports, are very rarely well implemented and almost always stick out like a sore thumb when it comes to UX. At any rate, if one really wants to shame companies that make single-platform software, there are a wealth of them doing that for Windows.