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Yes I built it, and I hope people like it. It still has a lot of stuff on the roadmap and supports thins like website embeds that I use on my personal site http

by anr13 5y ago

Yes I built it, and I hope people like it. It still has a lot of stuff on the roadmap and supports thins like website embeds that I use on my personal site https://anthonys.space https://anthonys.space and a lot of formatting options for posts, including Pro users able to post really long content. Still lots to do and lots on the roadmap but suggestions and feedback are helpful. Oh another key thing is the site is built using a single Javascript block, no trackers and no ads anywhere. Clean as it can be.

bovermyer 5y ago
I gave you money because I adore this concept. Don't rush the features too much. Already had one fun conversation (with you?) about Star Trek. Oh, and if you need infrastructure advice (I don't think you do, at least not yet), I would be happy to help.
- anr13 5y ago
  Oh yes thanks! I also due to your café found out I need to make a change when still set to private so the admin gets an alert to approve members.
olah_1 5y ago
Feedback would be to share the roadmap and code :) I’m trying to figure out what makes this special other than some nice design aesthetic
- anr13 5y ago
  I totally want to yes, the backend api's are all going to be public shortly. You can see some stuff we are working on and updates here: https://hey.cafe/c/hey https://hey.cafe/c/hey and more in the conversation I made 4 days ago with some changes already made. https://hey.cafe/conversation/j8olwfmlbpmlloww4yh4bxfz9 https://hey.cafe/conversation/j8olwfmlbpmlloww4yh4bxfz9
  - olah_1 5y ago
    The design IS good :) But the network is fully centralized, right? Did you consider using a protocol and making something more like Movim, but with your nice design language? Or is the problem you are trying to solve in a different domain? Like your main concern was that you wanted easily embeddable content?
    - anr13 5y ago
      Easy embeds, but making a no limit API that will be open for any public content. Also encryption for anything not public.
marginalia_nu 5y ago
I've had a theory that a lot of what's broken on the Internet today is a combination of a very large scale of communication and constant influx of new people. Does weird things when most of the people you are talking to are strangers. I think humans brains are built for villages, for relatively stable relationships. Instead you see a stranger write something, you reply what you think, someone else replies to you, you reply to them. Whether you are agreeing or disagreeing, but there's not a lot of actual conversation, just... reactions. HN has a very nice tone, but I recognize like 3-4 names and couldn't tell you if the person I agree with today was the person I thought was an idiot yesterday. I think for example the most successful communities on Reddit are either mega-obscure, so that there are very few newcomers, or very strictly moderated (e.g. /r/weightroom) in a way that maintains the culture. Everything else is is more or less a dumpster fire. Dunno if you've thought anything along these lines.
- llaolleh 5y ago
  This is my thought as well. How do you then design for small communities for the web is the hard part.
- bovermyer 5y ago
  This resonates with me. I think technology has vastly outpaced the biological capacity of humans to interact effectively. We're built for small communities. Tribes, clans, villages, whatever you want to call it. We've technologically advanced to the point where we can interact with the majority of humans on the planet in near real time, but... most of those interactions are driven not by connection, but by just projecting our thoughts onto a symbol we create.
- anr13 5y ago
  A little yes, the thing with stuff like Cafés that are the groups users can join, the person who creates it can also do moderation and setup a moderation team but everything must still follow the global rules. This means a lot more users can moderate content besides just the main staff.
- burrows 5y ago
  > Whether you are agreeing or disagreeing, but there's not a lot of actual conversation, just... reactions. Could you elaborate on the distinction you’re making between genuine conversations and records of reaction? Specifically, did you imply that tone and recognition of the other party are factors?
lostmsu 5y ago
I only wish I could see some of that website without JavaScript. Is it indexable? Can I find public posts using search engine such as DDG?
- anr13 5y ago
  Sorry I missed this, yes google does index it and I have a JSON API that I am making more public, so in reality a text based version of the site can be made, heck maybe a old school terminal interface fairly easily.
niyaven 5y ago
Hey! I was just curious about two things: - what's the privacy policy? - how can one request data / delete their account? congrats on your launch!
- anr13 5y ago
  Adding an account delete feature just not done yet, more info can be found on https://wave.hey.cafe https://wave.hey.cafe as the kinda policy area and docs.
- anr13 5y ago
  I have no tracking, no analytics, what you see on the site is what's stored in the Database. I can't stand sites that are tracker heavy so I chose to never add that type of stuff.
flipchart 5y ago
Please make the links real links so I can ctrl+click/middle click to open them in a new tab
- anr13 5y ago
  Some are, some are internal as the application is a one page script.
- anr13 5y ago
  I will be working on that. :)

by anr13 5y ago

bovermyer 5y ago

I gave you money because I adore this concept. Don't rush the features too much. Already had one fun conversation (with you?) about Star Trek. Oh, and if you need infrastructure advice (I don't think you do, at least not yet), I would be happy to help.

anr13 5y ago
Oh yes thanks! I also due to your café found out I need to make a change when still set to private so the admin gets an alert to approve members.

olah_1 5y ago

Feedback would be to share the roadmap and code :) I’m trying to figure out what makes this special other than some nice design aesthetic

anr13 5y ago
I totally want to yes, the backend api's are all going to be public shortly. You can see some stuff we are working on and updates here: https://hey.cafe/c/hey https://hey.cafe/c/hey and more in the conversation I made 4 days ago with some changes already made. https://hey.cafe/conversation/j8olwfmlbpmlloww4yh4bxfz9 https://hey.cafe/conversation/j8olwfmlbpmlloww4yh4bxfz9
- olah_1 5y ago
  The design IS good :) But the network is fully centralized, right? Did you consider using a protocol and making something more like Movim, but with your nice design language? Or is the problem you are trying to solve in a different domain? Like your main concern was that you wanted easily embeddable content?
  - anr13 5y ago
    Easy embeds, but making a no limit API that will be open for any public content. Also encryption for anything not public.

marginalia_nu 5y ago

I've had a theory that a lot of what's broken on the Internet today is a combination of a very large scale of communication and constant influx of new people. Does weird things when most of the people you are talking to are strangers. I think humans brains are built for villages, for relatively stable relationships. Instead you see a stranger write something, you reply what you think, someone else replies to you, you reply to them. Whether you are agreeing or disagreeing, but there's not a lot of actual conversation, just... reactions. HN has a very nice tone, but I recognize like 3-4 names and couldn't tell you if the person I agree with today was the person I thought was an idiot yesterday. I think for example the most successful communities on Reddit are either mega-obscure, so that there are very few newcomers, or very strictly moderated (e.g. /r/weightroom) in a way that maintains the culture. Everything else is is more or less a dumpster fire. Dunno if you've thought anything along these lines.

llaolleh 5y ago
This is my thought as well. How do you then design for small communities for the web is the hard part.
bovermyer 5y ago
This resonates with me. I think technology has vastly outpaced the biological capacity of humans to interact effectively. We're built for small communities. Tribes, clans, villages, whatever you want to call it. We've technologically advanced to the point where we can interact with the majority of humans on the planet in near real time, but... most of those interactions are driven not by connection, but by just projecting our thoughts onto a symbol we create.
anr13 5y ago
A little yes, the thing with stuff like Cafés that are the groups users can join, the person who creates it can also do moderation and setup a moderation team but everything must still follow the global rules. This means a lot more users can moderate content besides just the main staff.
burrows 5y ago
> Whether you are agreeing or disagreeing, but there's not a lot of actual conversation, just... reactions. Could you elaborate on the distinction you’re making between genuine conversations and records of reaction? Specifically, did you imply that tone and recognition of the other party are factors?

lostmsu 5y ago

I only wish I could see some of that website without JavaScript. Is it indexable? Can I find public posts using search engine such as DDG?

anr13 5y ago
Sorry I missed this, yes google does index it and I have a JSON API that I am making more public, so in reality a text based version of the site can be made, heck maybe a old school terminal interface fairly easily.

niyaven 5y ago

Hey! I was just curious about two things: - what's the privacy policy? - how can one request data / delete their account? congrats on your launch!

anr13 5y ago
Adding an account delete feature just not done yet, more info can be found on https://wave.hey.cafe https://wave.hey.cafe as the kinda policy area and docs.
anr13 5y ago
I have no tracking, no analytics, what you see on the site is what's stored in the Database. I can't stand sites that are tracker heavy so I chose to never add that type of stuff.

flipchart 5y ago

Please make the links real links so I can ctrl+click/middle click to open them in a new tab

anr13 5y ago
Some are, some are internal as the application is a one page script.
anr13 5y ago
I will be working on that. :)