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Even members of the FDA panel that approved the vaccine for kids was against the idea of vaccine mandates for children, even though they approved it for use. h

Even members of the FDA panel that approved the vaccine for kids was against the idea of vaccine mandates for children, even though they approved it for use. https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/26/fda-panel-endorses-covid-19-shot-for-kids-5-11-years-old-517236 https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/26/fda-panel-endorses-... "I'm just worried that if we say yes that the states are going to mandate administration of this vaccine to children in order to go to school, and I do not agree with that," he added. "I think that would be an error at this time until we get more information about the safety.”

khuey 5y ago
The FDA panel that approved boosters was waffling on that and turned out to be extremely wrong.
- baskethead 5y ago
  I wonder what their opinion would be if they knew back then that the vaccine would be rendered completely ineffective against omicron? My children were fully vaccinated and got infected over the holidays. They continued to test positive for 2 weeks. Mandating a vaccine that is useless to a group of the population that already don't need the vaccine because they are inherently protected from severe illness and death is 100% anti-science. A "pandemic of bureaucracy" is indeed the correct term for what we are facing today.
  - khuey 5y ago
    The vaccine is not "completely ineffective" against omicron. Effectiveness against hospitalization and especially death continues to be excellent.
    - baskethead 5y ago
      Not for children.
    - mizzack 5y ago
      This rock I carry in my pocket continues to be excellent at repelling tigers.
    - ashwagary 5y ago
      >Effectiveness against hospitalization and especially death continues to be excellent. Make sure to pick studies that include "mortality by age" since we are discussing children not 80 year olds. Seems to me, most provax people parrot info that ignores one of the most important factors, age distribution of deaths. This lack of specificity gives people a skewed perception of reality and makes covid seem more deadly than it is.
  - hyperpape 5y ago
    The vaccine is very effective against severe disease and death in omicron. It also still provides a 50% reduction in risk of any infection, iirc. You can easily check these claims--scroll back a few weeks in the feeds of @zeynep or @EricTopol on twitter. They cite good data and studies.
    - baskethead 5y ago
      Not for children.
      - rsfern 5y ago
        Is there solid data supporting that? You seem confident, but I don’t think I’ve come across any omicron-specific data for under 18s at all

khuey 5y ago

The FDA panel that approved boosters was waffling on that and turned out to be extremely wrong.

baskethead 5y ago
I wonder what their opinion would be if they knew back then that the vaccine would be rendered completely ineffective against omicron? My children were fully vaccinated and got infected over the holidays. They continued to test positive for 2 weeks. Mandating a vaccine that is useless to a group of the population that already don't need the vaccine because they are inherently protected from severe illness and death is 100% anti-science. A "pandemic of bureaucracy" is indeed the correct term for what we are facing today.
- khuey 5y ago
  The vaccine is not "completely ineffective" against omicron. Effectiveness against hospitalization and especially death continues to be excellent.
  - baskethead 5y ago
    Not for children.
  - mizzack 5y ago
    This rock I carry in my pocket continues to be excellent at repelling tigers.
  - ashwagary 5y ago
    >Effectiveness against hospitalization and especially death continues to be excellent. Make sure to pick studies that include "mortality by age" since we are discussing children not 80 year olds. Seems to me, most provax people parrot info that ignores one of the most important factors, age distribution of deaths. This lack of specificity gives people a skewed perception of reality and makes covid seem more deadly than it is.
- hyperpape 5y ago
  The vaccine is very effective against severe disease and death in omicron. It also still provides a 50% reduction in risk of any infection, iirc. You can easily check these claims--scroll back a few weeks in the feeds of @zeynep or @EricTopol on twitter. They cite good data and studies.
  - baskethead 5y ago
    Not for children.
    - rsfern 5y ago
      Is there solid data supporting that? You seem confident, but I don’t think I’ve come across any omicron-specific data for under 18s at all