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"The current death rate of COVID in the US is about what a bad flu season would be." Currently 2000 people a day are dying in the U.S. from COVID. That's an a

"The current death rate of COVID in the US is about what a bad flu season would be." Currently 2000 people a day are dying in the U.S. from COVID. That's an annualized rate of 730,000 deaths per year. The CDC estimates that the worst flu season in the last 10 years was 2017-2018 and that Flu caused 52,000 deaths. That puts the current death rate of COVID at 14x where a bad flu season would be. Perhaps it is his judgment that the level of attention COVID is getting is still not warranted, but one must start with the basic facts correct in order to make this judgment.

rob_c 5y ago
and the definition of a covid death is rather liberal compared to a flu death with no underlying conditions... the whole mess is political
- cameldrv 5y ago
  I can't say precisely how these deaths are defined. I can say that I know several people personally who have died of COVID just in the past month. I can't ever remember anyone I know dying of the Flu.
  - rob_c 5y ago
    I'm not questioning this. But unfortunately it is by definition anecdotal. I know 3 over 90s who are still going, and a mix of expose risk and health status. I'm sorry for your loss.
    - cameldrv 5y ago
      Yes, I also know a ton of people who didn't die from it. That does not change the fact that COVID is much more lethal than the flu, which was the original claim to justify the article.
      - rob_c 5y ago
        again, as per my comment, you cannot make this assessment based on bad data, please stop insisting on it. In the UK(Eng+Wales) it has killed <13k total with no underlying conditions as reported by the ONS. https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnootherunderlyingcauses https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/fre... This alone should worry people! The total kill count is supposed to be 100x this which is a heck of a disparity, and shows there is something bad about the data.
        cameldrv 5y ago
        The data for flu is not “with no underlying conditions.” Something like 70% of the u.s. has an “underlying condition.” You’re distorting the statistics to promote an agenda.
        rob_c 5y ago
        No I'm not. I'm presenting a very large discrepancy in the data itself. Any inference you chose to make is therefore based on inconsistent data. The choice on how to understand it is yours, I've led you to water. Besides you need to renormalize the data based on demographic and at risk population as well as taking into account frankly several years of good fortune with regard to flu seasons and being prepared with working flu jabs ahead of time. I'm not saying your wrong I'm just explaining how the data your using is faulty. Go away find a trusted source who can help understand the details and not just compare 2 big flat numbers that don't reflect the actual situation. 2 big numbers make for nice headlines though. Which again for agendas very well. Ironically nobody listens to my point that we should have been innoculating at risk people as early as may 2020 when trials started, so frankly I'm not bothered with being accused of fitting an agenda. I'm not, only really to say that the politicalisation of this has distorted data and people's thinkings in a way that's needlessly cost lives. Please stop reading sensationalist numbers without understanding what it means in context.
        cameldrv 5y ago

rob_c 5y ago

and the definition of a covid death is rather liberal compared to a flu death with no underlying conditions... the whole mess is political

cameldrv 5y ago
I can't say precisely how these deaths are defined. I can say that I know several people personally who have died of COVID just in the past month. I can't ever remember anyone I know dying of the Flu.
- rob_c 5y ago
  I'm not questioning this. But unfortunately it is by definition anecdotal. I know 3 over 90s who are still going, and a mix of expose risk and health status. I'm sorry for your loss.
  - cameldrv 5y ago
    Yes, I also know a ton of people who didn't die from it. That does not change the fact that COVID is much more lethal than the flu, which was the original claim to justify the article.
    - rob_c 5y ago
      again, as per my comment, you cannot make this assessment based on bad data, please stop insisting on it. In the UK(Eng+Wales) it has killed <13k total with no underlying conditions as reported by the ONS. https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnootherunderlyingcauses https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/fre... This alone should worry people! The total kill count is supposed to be 100x this which is a heck of a disparity, and shows there is something bad about the data.
      - cameldrv 5y ago
        The data for flu is not “with no underlying conditions.” Something like 70% of the u.s. has an “underlying condition.” You’re distorting the statistics to promote an agenda.
        rob_c 5y ago
        No I'm not. I'm presenting a very large discrepancy in the data itself. Any inference you chose to make is therefore based on inconsistent data. The choice on how to understand it is yours, I've led you to water. Besides you need to renormalize the data based on demographic and at risk population as well as taking into account frankly several years of good fortune with regard to flu seasons and being prepared with working flu jabs ahead of time. I'm not saying your wrong I'm just explaining how the data your using is faulty. Go away find a trusted source who can help understand the details and not just compare 2 big flat numbers that don't reflect the actual situation. 2 big numbers make for nice headlines though. Which again for agendas very well. Ironically nobody listens to my point that we should have been innoculating at risk people as early as may 2020 when trials started, so frankly I'm not bothered with being accused of fitting an agenda. I'm not, only really to say that the politicalisation of this has distorted data and people's thinkings in a way that's needlessly cost lives. Please stop reading sensationalist numbers without understanding what it means in context.
        cameldrv 5y ago