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Just tested this myself. Got the same results as you while using different file names. Difficult to believe that Google has become so internally dysfunctional

Just tested this myself. Got the same results as you while using different file names. Difficult to believe that Google has become so internally dysfunctional that it hasn't fixed this technical embarrassment twenty hours after first being being seen, and then five hours after being reported on front page of Hacker News.

judge2020 5y ago
It only affects sharing so it isn't a disaster if this happens, probably P3 medium if you went by their bug bounty priorities.
- LightG 5y ago
  Altenatively, just the next brick laid upon the pyramid of "Google sux".
- tyingq 5y ago
  That is what I saw, I can still access the file. I do wonder, though, if there's some threshold of flagged files where they suddenly enact some other punishment.
  - bigiain 5y ago
    I'm sure that right now, competitive YouTube scam artists are sending competing channel owners files with just "1" in them, in the hope they get their Google accounts machine-deleted and their youtube channels taken down with zero recourse...
Barrin92 5y ago
At the scale at which Google operates, even if they fixed it within a minute it probably takes some time to test and roll these things out. Sometimes I wonder if people think that infrastructure for billions of people is some sort of magic where you push the fix button and magically everything's solved across the globe.
- fragmede 5y ago
  The faster the fix can roll out, the faster a breakage can also roll out. Move slower and break fewer things.
- rezonant 5y ago
  Sure it'll take time. Google cannot have it both ways though. They have a habit of completely restricting all ways of appealing or contesting these issues ostensibly because they think their tech is so good that it isn't required (at least in the vast majority of cases), and yet we have people permanently locked out of their personal and work GMails for months on end (or indefinitely) and now being accused of copyright infringement for the digit "1", with a bold assertion at the end of the email saying "This restriction cannot be reviewed". Google's become so big that collapse/disruption is inevitable.
  - thfuran 5y ago
    >They have a habit of completely restricting all ways of appealing or contesting these issues ostensibly because they think their tech is so good that it isn't required Are you sure it's not just because providing them would cost money?
    - rezonant 5y ago
      They'll certainly cost money. Can they afford it? Yeah, they can. I think the issue is that Google thinks that operational scale is what defines the correct solution- even when they are not at the scale that requires the solution they are using. They seem so enamored with operating at stupidly high scale that they don't realize they actually can afford to do this right, and if they did that while being mindful of scale, they would be much harder to displace than they currently are.
      - thfuran 5y ago
        Companies don't spend as much as they can afford, they spend as little as they can get away with.
cardosof 5y ago
A product manager with an MBA will argue this affects only a handful of customers, mostly non-paying, so fixing it should sit at the end of the backlog.
- jodrellblank 5y ago
  Is that wrong? How many outraged people here are going to stop using paid-for Google products because of this? (people who didn't stop using paid-for Google products for all the times this kind of thing happened before). It's approximately none, isn't it?
  - tyingq 5y ago
    It's certainly good competitive info for Microsoft or others to share during sales calls.
  - cardosof 5y ago
    > Is that wrong? No, resources are scarce and should be allocated wherever offers the best returns. But it's still lame that Google has this kind of bug, don't you think?
  - GVIrish 5y ago
    The problem is that it hurts the perception of Google, particularly for enterprise customers. If the perception is that Google is unresponsive and gives customers no recourse to address obviously incorrect behavior of its automated systems, it makes it harder for enterprise customers to trust Google with their workloads. A one off bug like this isn't the end of the world, but it fits into the larger pattern of how Google operates.
    - GFischer 5y ago
      Yep, I've been in a position to choose cloud providers before, and I wouldn't touch Google with a ten foot pole (it's basically AWS or Azure in my mind). I'm already unhappy with the level of control they already have on my life (Gmail and Android).
mianos 5y ago
I assume 99% of googlers are juggling production issues. Maybe the rest are supporting the ad platforms, as the public facing applications have been fairly static for years, aside from moving the comments on youtube to the top and bottom and back up to the top again. I wish they would finish the thumbs down functionality in youtube music or look at WearOS once in a while (150000 one stars reviews LOL). Some may say 'you get what you pay for', but after a few paid google gapps accounts getting locked out lately for no good reason, I'll be moving and not paying anymore after drawing a blank from support.

judge2020 5y ago

It only affects sharing so it isn't a disaster if this happens, probably P3 medium if you went by their bug bounty priorities.

LightG 5y ago
Altenatively, just the next brick laid upon the pyramid of "Google sux".
tyingq 5y ago
That is what I saw, I can still access the file. I do wonder, though, if there's some threshold of flagged files where they suddenly enact some other punishment.
- bigiain 5y ago
  I'm sure that right now, competitive YouTube scam artists are sending competing channel owners files with just "1" in them, in the hope they get their Google accounts machine-deleted and their youtube channels taken down with zero recourse...

Barrin92 5y ago

At the scale at which Google operates, even if they fixed it within a minute it probably takes some time to test and roll these things out. Sometimes I wonder if people think that infrastructure for billions of people is some sort of magic where you push the fix button and magically everything's solved across the globe.

fragmede 5y ago
The faster the fix can roll out, the faster a breakage can also roll out. Move slower and break fewer things.
rezonant 5y ago
Sure it'll take time. Google cannot have it both ways though. They have a habit of completely restricting all ways of appealing or contesting these issues ostensibly because they think their tech is so good that it isn't required (at least in the vast majority of cases), and yet we have people permanently locked out of their personal and work GMails for months on end (or indefinitely) and now being accused of copyright infringement for the digit "1", with a bold assertion at the end of the email saying "This restriction cannot be reviewed". Google's become so big that collapse/disruption is inevitable.
- thfuran 5y ago
  >They have a habit of completely restricting all ways of appealing or contesting these issues ostensibly because they think their tech is so good that it isn't required Are you sure it's not just because providing them would cost money?
  - rezonant 5y ago
    They'll certainly cost money. Can they afford it? Yeah, they can. I think the issue is that Google thinks that operational scale is what defines the correct solution- even when they are not at the scale that requires the solution they are using. They seem so enamored with operating at stupidly high scale that they don't realize they actually can afford to do this right, and if they did that while being mindful of scale, they would be much harder to displace than they currently are.
    - thfuran 5y ago
      Companies don't spend as much as they can afford, they spend as little as they can get away with.

cardosof 5y ago

A product manager with an MBA will argue this affects only a handful of customers, mostly non-paying, so fixing it should sit at the end of the backlog.

jodrellblank 5y ago
Is that wrong? How many outraged people here are going to stop using paid-for Google products because of this? (people who didn't stop using paid-for Google products for all the times this kind of thing happened before). It's approximately none, isn't it?
- tyingq 5y ago
  It's certainly good competitive info for Microsoft or others to share during sales calls.
- cardosof 5y ago
  > Is that wrong? No, resources are scarce and should be allocated wherever offers the best returns. But it's still lame that Google has this kind of bug, don't you think?
- GVIrish 5y ago
  The problem is that it hurts the perception of Google, particularly for enterprise customers. If the perception is that Google is unresponsive and gives customers no recourse to address obviously incorrect behavior of its automated systems, it makes it harder for enterprise customers to trust Google with their workloads. A one off bug like this isn't the end of the world, but it fits into the larger pattern of how Google operates.
  - GFischer 5y ago
    Yep, I've been in a position to choose cloud providers before, and I wouldn't touch Google with a ten foot pole (it's basically AWS or Azure in my mind). I'm already unhappy with the level of control they already have on my life (Gmail and Android).

mianos 5y ago

I assume 99% of googlers are juggling production issues. Maybe the rest are supporting the ad platforms, as the public facing applications have been fairly static for years, aside from moving the comments on youtube to the top and bottom and back up to the top again. I wish they would finish the thumbs down functionality in youtube music or look at WearOS once in a while (150000 one stars reviews LOL). Some may say 'you get what you pay for', but after a few paid google gapps accounts getting locked out lately for no good reason, I'll be moving and not paying anymore after drawing a blank from support.