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> You could cancel Brave because you think Eich hates the gays. You could cancel Apple because their phones are made in sweatshop conditions that drive workers

> You could cancel Brave because you think Eich hates the gays. You could cancel Apple because their phones are made in sweatshop conditions that drive workers to mass suicide. Cancel electric cars because the cobalt batteries are mined by African children who die of exposure. Cance Nike because despite their woke posturing they use sweatshops too. Don’t wear clothes because the factories collapse etc. All of those seem like ... good things to me? (At least to the extent that I believe the factual claims.) Call me crazy, but I am not yet so cynical as to believe that I cannot with my actions make any difference in the world. To be clear, the problem is not so much Eich "hating the gays" as it is him collecting a ~7 figure salary and funneling money from that into right wing causes that hurt people in the real world. Do you sincerely believe that your existence is a net negative to the world as a whole? Have you internalized that belief? I would quite literally not be able to live with myself if I believed that. I try to minimize the negative impacts my consumption has on others as far as I can. It's not about "cancellation", because that's become a stupid meme and lost any meaning it had, it's about being careful abut what I consume. I don't, for example, buy anything from Nestle. > Nobody in our first world capitalist bubble is blameless, we are all fat and happy off the exploitation of the weak, so to get on a moral high horse against the inventor of JavaScript is laughable. Just chill out and drink your Starbucks and keep those sweet rent checks rolling in. This is, at the end of the day, just pure cynicism.

PraetorianGourd 5y ago
> I don't, for example, buy anything from Nestle. Cool. But that isn’t really that cool. That one is easy. What makes you okay with buying products from Apple but not from Nestle? Is it that Nestle has enough competition that it’s a low cost protest? Is it that Apple is hurting people far away from you while Nestle is exploiting your more local environment? What would it take to make you buy from Nestle again? If they somehow bought Apple’s laptop division? Having no beliefs is more laudable than people who act on only the convenient beliefs.
- micromacrofoot 5y ago
  > Having no beliefs is more laudable than people who act on only the convenient beliefs. what? laudable by whom? sure it’s lazy to only act on convenient beliefs, but it’s certainly more interesting than doing literally nothing if my one belief is to cut those little six-pack pop rings before putting them in the trash to benefit sea turtles… how is not doing that laudable? because someone told you it’s cool to not care about anything?
  - PraetorianGourd 5y ago
    Nobody has ever told me in any way, shape or form that not caring is cool. In fact, in my generation the opposite is true, caring is 100% cool. See the scene in the remake of “21 Jump Street” where Channing Tatum’s character is thrown off by how “activist” everyone is. My point though was more specific to the poster I replied to, they hand-waved the parent comment away (partially) by mentioning that they boycott Nestle. It rings hollow that all of the other points are less relevant because they boycott what is quite possibly the easiest company to boycott. I would have more respected a response of either “yeah, I pick and choose what I boycott based on both logically tangible and emotional reasons, so trying to find consistency is not only impossible but also foolish” or just to say “who I boycott and why is up to me. Maybe I boycott all of those companies, maybe none. I don’t boycott to be performative”

PraetorianGourd 5y ago

> I don't, for example, buy anything from Nestle. Cool. But that isn’t really that cool. That one is easy. What makes you okay with buying products from Apple but not from Nestle? Is it that Nestle has enough competition that it’s a low cost protest? Is it that Apple is hurting people far away from you while Nestle is exploiting your more local environment? What would it take to make you buy from Nestle again? If they somehow bought Apple’s laptop division? Having no beliefs is more laudable than people who act on only the convenient beliefs.

micromacrofoot 5y ago
> Having no beliefs is more laudable than people who act on only the convenient beliefs. what? laudable by whom? sure it’s lazy to only act on convenient beliefs, but it’s certainly more interesting than doing literally nothing if my one belief is to cut those little six-pack pop rings before putting them in the trash to benefit sea turtles… how is not doing that laudable? because someone told you it’s cool to not care about anything?
- PraetorianGourd 5y ago
  Nobody has ever told me in any way, shape or form that not caring is cool. In fact, in my generation the opposite is true, caring is 100% cool. See the scene in the remake of “21 Jump Street” where Channing Tatum’s character is thrown off by how “activist” everyone is. My point though was more specific to the poster I replied to, they hand-waved the parent comment away (partially) by mentioning that they boycott Nestle. It rings hollow that all of the other points are less relevant because they boycott what is quite possibly the easiest company to boycott. I would have more respected a response of either “yeah, I pick and choose what I boycott based on both logically tangible and emotional reasons, so trying to find consistency is not only impossible but also foolish” or just to say “who I boycott and why is up to me. Maybe I boycott all of those companies, maybe none. I don’t boycott to be performative”