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This CDC statement provides updates to large study. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm 'By

This CDC statement provides updates to large study. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm 'By early October, persons who survived a previous infection had lower case rates than persons who were vaccinated alone.' Yes - 'you were very specific about antigen testing and a doctors letter that you had recovered from covid'.

3hoss 5y ago
But, that's not what sterilising immunity means. The fact that previously infected individuals were infected again means that their natural infection did not provide sterilising immunity. Better immunity? That's debatable, but it's not, by any definition I've seen, sterilising immunity.
michaelmrose 5y ago
There is firstly a survivorship bias. People who survived covid once were on average healthier than the people that died. Next people who got vaccinated alone and managed to avoid catching covid entirely had the lowest mortality followed by those who got vaccinated before catching covid. To say that given 2 different priors one is superior to the other and ergo one should behave such is wrong because it doesn't consider the cost of the prior. Considering the full cost you aren't better off getting covid and in most cases all of society is better off and ergo you yourself on net as well if you avoid it as long as possible so as to spread it out and get it when resources are available to treat you and because quality of treatment goes up over time as more treatments become available and as importantly more broadly available.
- landemva 5y ago
  '... you aren't better off getting covid ...' When the lockdowns started in USA I took some days to consider the possibilities while still out "in the field" in the work truck. Since the virus passes between humans and animals such as deer and cats where it mutates, it was apparent I would be exposed at some time. I chose a course of action to make peace with my family, my God, and to remain vigilant about diet and health. A year later I got it and recovered at home. It is generally not going to be a choice to avoid this virus. Hopefully it continues to mutate to be highly transmissible and less harmful like the seasonal flu.

3hoss 5y ago

But, that's not what sterilising immunity means. The fact that previously infected individuals were infected again means that their natural infection did not provide sterilising immunity. Better immunity? That's debatable, but it's not, by any definition I've seen, sterilising immunity.

michaelmrose 5y ago

There is firstly a survivorship bias. People who survived covid once were on average healthier than the people that died. Next people who got vaccinated alone and managed to avoid catching covid entirely had the lowest mortality followed by those who got vaccinated before catching covid. To say that given 2 different priors one is superior to the other and ergo one should behave such is wrong because it doesn't consider the cost of the prior. Considering the full cost you aren't better off getting covid and in most cases all of society is better off and ergo you yourself on net as well if you avoid it as long as possible so as to spread it out and get it when resources are available to treat you and because quality of treatment goes up over time as more treatments become available and as importantly more broadly available.

landemva 5y ago
'... you aren't better off getting covid ...' When the lockdowns started in USA I took some days to consider the possibilities while still out "in the field" in the work truck. Since the virus passes between humans and animals such as deer and cats where it mutates, it was apparent I would be exposed at some time. I chose a course of action to make peace with my family, my God, and to remain vigilant about diet and health. A year later I got it and recovered at home. It is generally not going to be a choice to avoid this virus. Hopefully it continues to mutate to be highly transmissible and less harmful like the seasonal flu.