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This is much the same blather I have read a dozen times at this point. The reason myocarditis is underreported is because most cases are incredibly mild. So if

This is much the same blather I have read a dozen times at this point. The reason myocarditis is underreported is because most cases are incredibly mild. So if you have a choice between a disease you have a 45% chance of catching and a 1% chance of dying of, or a vaccine with a 1 in 10,000 chance of having an adverse reaction to, with a 1 in 20,000 chance that it would be fatal, which would you rather choose? 9 billion doses have been given out! If there were serious safety concerns with vaccines, I would personally know people affected. Of course you are incredibly unlucky if you are one of the 3000 people in the US who are seriously affected by a vaccine, but people telling me my winning lottery ticket is fake isn't an example of oppression - you want a doctor who doesn't jump to weird edge cases at first chance. It's not that these people "don't understand the science", it's that they don't understand probability.

logicchains 5y ago
>The reason myocarditis is underreported is because most cases are incredibly mild. Where is the evidence for this? Everything I've seen suggests 10-20% of vaccine-induced myocarditis cases result in a life-lasting disability.
- legitster 5y ago
  How do people know? For every previous vaccine, myocarditis inflammation has mostly been temporary. If this one is different, how would people know it's lifelong? It's much, much more likely that reaction to the vaccine is uncovering existing, latent myocarditis than it is causing them. A la https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_windshield_pitting_epidemic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_windshield_pitting_epi... Also, nobody who cares about myocarditis seems to be pointing out that you are 16x more likely to get a myocarditis diagnosis from catching Covid than you are for getting vaccinated.
  - dlemire 5y ago
    Commonly used vaccines are known to cause widespread temporary myocarditis?
    - legitster 5y ago
      If you search in academic literature from before Covid, you will find all sorts of case studies of myocarditis caused by flu shots: https://www.onlinejcf.com/article/S1071-9164(18)30491-3/fulltext https://www.onlinejcf.com/article/S1071-9164(18)30491-3/full... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6786665/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6786665/ https://jitc.bmj.com/content/7/1/53 https://jitc.bmj.com/content/7/1/53 It seems pretty safe to assume that if you have an autoimmune disorder that causes heart inflammation when attacking a virus, in some people it may respond to the vaccine similarly. (But again, I think the evidence in such cases is that your body would be much more responsive to a covid infection than an mrna vaccine).

logicchains 5y ago

>The reason myocarditis is underreported is because most cases are incredibly mild. Where is the evidence for this? Everything I've seen suggests 10-20% of vaccine-induced myocarditis cases result in a life-lasting disability.

legitster 5y ago
How do people know? For every previous vaccine, myocarditis inflammation has mostly been temporary. If this one is different, how would people know it's lifelong? It's much, much more likely that reaction to the vaccine is uncovering existing, latent myocarditis than it is causing them. A la https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_windshield_pitting_epidemic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_windshield_pitting_epi... Also, nobody who cares about myocarditis seems to be pointing out that you are 16x more likely to get a myocarditis diagnosis from catching Covid than you are for getting vaccinated.
- dlemire 5y ago
  Commonly used vaccines are known to cause widespread temporary myocarditis?
  - legitster 5y ago
    If you search in academic literature from before Covid, you will find all sorts of case studies of myocarditis caused by flu shots: https://www.onlinejcf.com/article/S1071-9164(18)30491-3/fulltext https://www.onlinejcf.com/article/S1071-9164(18)30491-3/full... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6786665/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6786665/ https://jitc.bmj.com/content/7/1/53 https://jitc.bmj.com/content/7/1/53 It seems pretty safe to assume that if you have an autoimmune disorder that causes heart inflammation when attacking a virus, in some people it may respond to the vaccine similarly. (But again, I think the evidence in such cases is that your body would be much more responsive to a covid infection than an mrna vaccine).