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Anybody else get the sense that we're just totally frickin doomed? Even if Yudkowsky is off about AGI (which is a big maybe!) in what possible world will this t

by ctoth 5y ago

Anybody else get the sense that we're just totally frickin doomed? Even if Yudkowsky is off about AGI (which is a big maybe!) in what possible world will this technology be used to make our individual lives better (assuming you're not a FAIR researcher?)

The_rationalist 5y ago
meetups323 5y ago
More people trapped inside on the metaverse = smaller crowds at outdoor recreation areas?
- Traubenfuchs 5y ago
  That would be a win-win for everyone.
  - doublerabbit 5y ago
    Why?
    - Traubenfuchs 5y ago
      VR enjoyers can enjoy VR, reality enjoyers can enjoy reality. Vienna, where I am living, is completely overrun by people. Public spaces and transport at peak hours have become a mess in the last years. The first lockdown showed how beautiful the city can be if everyone stays home.
- emerged 5y ago
  I think the real world will become populated with android avatars which are controlled by people from their VR headsets. So you’ll have small human crowds but loads of anonymous avatar androids taking all the good fishing spots, riding the trails backwards, etc. I’m joking hopefully
UncleOxidant 5y ago
Yes, I think we're in trouble. Walked over to friends' house over the weekend. It was a very nice, sunny weekend. Saw them through the window with their goggles on, rang the doorbell. They came to the door and I said, look how nice and sunny it it, we should go for a walk and they were like "oh, we had no idea it was so nice out because we were in Meta with our goggles on".
- colinmhayes 5y ago
  I don't see how this is a bad thing. What's wrong with preferring the metaverse to their sunny neighborhood? Honestly the matrix seems like the end game here and I'm all for it. Then it can be a sunny day in the neighborhood every day. The doom comes from the matrix being built by people who either don't have our best interests in mind, or aren't competent enough to build the system to correctly act in our best interests.
  - dominotw 5y ago
    vitamin d deficiency
  - yumraj 5y ago
    > The doom comes from the matrix being built by people who either don't have our best interests in mind ... You mean like Zuckerberg and FB?
    - ModernMech 5y ago
      What makes you believe that Mark "I can't believe those dumb fucks trust me" Zuckerberg doesn't have our best interests in mind?
      - giantrobot 5y ago
        Just a hunch...
aierou 5y ago
Have you ever heard of AlphaFold? [0]: https://deepmind.com/blog/article/alphafold-a-solution-to-a-50-year-old-grand-challenge-in-biology https://deepmind.com/blog/article/alphafold-a-solution-to-a-...
- schleck8 5y ago
  Or RosettaFold https://github.com/RosettaCommons/RoseTTAFold https://github.com/RosettaCommons/RoseTTAFold
hourislate 5y ago
We're not all doomed, just the NPC's who embrace it.
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hooande 5y ago
In theory, this could be used to create AI agents that can process visual/audio information in a way that's more similar to humans. It could lead to household robots or advanced conversational interfaces. or whatever the hell the metaverse is. It's just bunch of GPUs. It could be used for anything people can imagine, good or bad
- lm28469 5y ago
  Go back in time and tell people about the technical power we have in 2022. Then tell them to imagine what we do with it. And finally explain to them that the vast majority of it is used to sell us goods and services we mostly don't need.
- knodi123 5y ago
  > It could lead to household robots or advanced conversational interfaces. Yes, but anything that could do that, will be used for military robots and context-aware ubiquitous comms surveillance. > It's just bunch of GPUs. It could be used for anything people can imagine, good or bad And nuclear power can be used for good or ill, too. But when the ills grow big enough, it's still fair to worry about proliferation and possible end-of-civilization events. It's unhelpful to reassure someone building a bomb bunker "Don't worry, nuclear power is just a tool, it can be used for good OR for bad".
- mwcampbell 5y ago
  > create AI agents that can process visual/audio information in a way that's more similar to humans Which, of course, is great for accessibility.
cblconfederate 5y ago
biology is hard, perhaps too complex for human brains to make a decent model of it. AI can solve it and try to explain it to us (if it pleases her)
LightG 5y ago
Probably. I'm going to set up all my data so that, anytime it's parsed by Facebook, there'll be a middle-finger waiting for their supercomputer with just two words: "Process this".
Atlas667 5y ago
Yep, this will be used for precision tracking and context categorization. And of course, to more deeply understand human motivators and make platforms even more addictive to us. This will have minimal benefits to the working class and all the benefit to Meta and their clients. I fear the ammount of human information this AI is going to be free to analyze from Facebook and what it will deduce about us and then how Meta will use it to generate capital.

by ctoth 5y ago

The_rationalist 5y ago

meetups323 5y ago

More people trapped inside on the metaverse = smaller crowds at outdoor recreation areas?

Traubenfuchs 5y ago
That would be a win-win for everyone.
- doublerabbit 5y ago
  Why?
  - Traubenfuchs 5y ago
    VR enjoyers can enjoy VR, reality enjoyers can enjoy reality. Vienna, where I am living, is completely overrun by people. Public spaces and transport at peak hours have become a mess in the last years. The first lockdown showed how beautiful the city can be if everyone stays home.
emerged 5y ago
I think the real world will become populated with android avatars which are controlled by people from their VR headsets. So you’ll have small human crowds but loads of anonymous avatar androids taking all the good fishing spots, riding the trails backwards, etc. I’m joking hopefully

UncleOxidant 5y ago

Yes, I think we're in trouble. Walked over to friends' house over the weekend. It was a very nice, sunny weekend. Saw them through the window with their goggles on, rang the doorbell. They came to the door and I said, look how nice and sunny it it, we should go for a walk and they were like "oh, we had no idea it was so nice out because we were in Meta with our goggles on".

colinmhayes 5y ago
I don't see how this is a bad thing. What's wrong with preferring the metaverse to their sunny neighborhood? Honestly the matrix seems like the end game here and I'm all for it. Then it can be a sunny day in the neighborhood every day. The doom comes from the matrix being built by people who either don't have our best interests in mind, or aren't competent enough to build the system to correctly act in our best interests.
- dominotw 5y ago
  vitamin d deficiency
- yumraj 5y ago
  > The doom comes from the matrix being built by people who either don't have our best interests in mind ... You mean like Zuckerberg and FB?
  - ModernMech 5y ago
    What makes you believe that Mark "I can't believe those dumb fucks trust me" Zuckerberg doesn't have our best interests in mind?
    - giantrobot 5y ago
      Just a hunch...

aierou 5y ago

Have you ever heard of AlphaFold? [0]: https://deepmind.com/blog/article/alphafold-a-solution-to-a-50-year-old-grand-challenge-in-biology https://deepmind.com/blog/article/alphafold-a-solution-to-a-...

schleck8 5y ago
Or RosettaFold https://github.com/RosettaCommons/RoseTTAFold https://github.com/RosettaCommons/RoseTTAFold

hourislate 5y ago

We're not all doomed, just the NPC's who embrace it.

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hooande 5y ago

In theory, this could be used to create AI agents that can process visual/audio information in a way that's more similar to humans. It could lead to household robots or advanced conversational interfaces. or whatever the hell the metaverse is. It's just bunch of GPUs. It could be used for anything people can imagine, good or bad

lm28469 5y ago
Go back in time and tell people about the technical power we have in 2022. Then tell them to imagine what we do with it. And finally explain to them that the vast majority of it is used to sell us goods and services we mostly don't need.
knodi123 5y ago
> It could lead to household robots or advanced conversational interfaces. Yes, but anything that could do that, will be used for military robots and context-aware ubiquitous comms surveillance. > It's just bunch of GPUs. It could be used for anything people can imagine, good or bad And nuclear power can be used for good or ill, too. But when the ills grow big enough, it's still fair to worry about proliferation and possible end-of-civilization events. It's unhelpful to reassure someone building a bomb bunker "Don't worry, nuclear power is just a tool, it can be used for good OR for bad".
mwcampbell 5y ago
> create AI agents that can process visual/audio information in a way that's more similar to humans Which, of course, is great for accessibility.

cblconfederate 5y ago

biology is hard, perhaps too complex for human brains to make a decent model of it. AI can solve it and try to explain it to us (if it pleases her)

LightG 5y ago

Probably. I'm going to set up all my data so that, anytime it's parsed by Facebook, there'll be a middle-finger waiting for their supercomputer with just two words: "Process this".

Atlas667 5y ago

Yep, this will be used for precision tracking and context categorization. And of course, to more deeply understand human motivators and make platforms even more addictive to us. This will have minimal benefits to the working class and all the benefit to Meta and their clients. I fear the ammount of human information this AI is going to be free to analyze from Facebook and what it will deduce about us and then how Meta will use it to generate capital.