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I’m not saying I agree with Brendan Eich’s opinions. I’m saying I don’t care what his opinions are. Prop 8 was dumb and I voted against it but I can respect and

I’m not saying I agree with Brendan Eich’s opinions. I’m saying I don’t care what his opinions are. Prop 8 was dumb and I voted against it but I can respect and understand why people _did_ vote for it. It doesn’t make people _heretics_ to have a political disagreement. You could cancel Brave because you think Eich hates the gays. You could cancel Apple because their phones are made in sweatshop conditions that drive workers to mass suicide. Cancel electric cars because the cobalt batteries are mined by African children who die of exposure. Cance Nike because despite their woke posturing they use sweatshops too. Don’t wear clothes because the factories collapse etc. Nobody in our first world capitalist bubble is blameless, we are all fat and happy off the exploitation of the weak, so to get on a moral high horse against the inventor of JavaScript is laughable. Just chill out and drink your Starbucks and keep those sweet rent checks rolling in.

micromacrofoot 5y ago
- henriquez 5y ago
  - micromacrofoot 5y ago
    No one suggested ostracizing Eich... just not supporting his company. I'm sorry this makes you so angry. Maybe you have a convincing point to make, but the way you're trying to make it will be lost on anyone that doesn't already agree with you.
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    - meragrin_ 5y ago
      Boycotting anything he is involved is not ostracizing?
bscphil 5y ago
> You could cancel Brave because you think Eich hates the gays. You could cancel Apple because their phones are made in sweatshop conditions that drive workers to mass suicide. Cancel electric cars because the cobalt batteries are mined by African children who die of exposure. Cance Nike because despite their woke posturing they use sweatshops too. Don’t wear clothes because the factories collapse etc. All of those seem like ... good things to me? (At least to the extent that I believe the factual claims.) Call me crazy, but I am not yet so cynical as to believe that I cannot with my actions make any difference in the world. To be clear, the problem is not so much Eich "hating the gays" as it is him collecting a ~7 figure salary and funneling money from that into right wing causes that hurt people in the real world. Do you sincerely believe that your existence is a net negative to the world as a whole? Have you internalized that belief? I would quite literally not be able to live with myself if I believed that. I try to minimize the negative impacts my consumption has on others as far as I can. It's not about "cancellation", because that's become a stupid meme and lost any meaning it had, it's about being careful abut what I consume. I don't, for example, buy anything from Nestle. > Nobody in our first world capitalist bubble is blameless, we are all fat and happy off the exploitation of the weak, so to get on a moral high horse against the inventor of JavaScript is laughable. Just chill out and drink your Starbucks and keep those sweet rent checks rolling in. This is, at the end of the day, just pure cynicism.
- PraetorianGourd 5y ago
  > I don't, for example, buy anything from Nestle. Cool. But that isn’t really that cool. That one is easy. What makes you okay with buying products from Apple but not from Nestle? Is it that Nestle has enough competition that it’s a low cost protest? Is it that Apple is hurting people far away from you while Nestle is exploiting your more local environment? What would it take to make you buy from Nestle again? If they somehow bought Apple’s laptop division? Having no beliefs is more laudable than people who act on only the convenient beliefs.
  - micromacrofoot 5y ago
    > Having no beliefs is more laudable than people who act on only the convenient beliefs. what? laudable by whom? sure it’s lazy to only act on convenient beliefs, but it’s certainly more interesting than doing literally nothing if my one belief is to cut those little six-pack pop rings before putting them in the trash to benefit sea turtles… how is not doing that laudable? because someone told you it’s cool to not care about anything?

micromacrofoot 5y ago

henriquez 5y ago
- micromacrofoot 5y ago
  No one suggested ostracizing Eich... just not supporting his company. I'm sorry this makes you so angry. Maybe you have a convincing point to make, but the way you're trying to make it will be lost on anyone that doesn't already agree with you.
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  - meragrin_ 5y ago
    Boycotting anything he is involved is not ostracizing?

bscphil 5y ago

> You could cancel Brave because you think Eich hates the gays. You could cancel Apple because their phones are made in sweatshop conditions that drive workers to mass suicide. Cancel electric cars because the cobalt batteries are mined by African children who die of exposure. Cance Nike because despite their woke posturing they use sweatshops too. Don’t wear clothes because the factories collapse etc. All of those seem like ... good things to me? (At least to the extent that I believe the factual claims.) Call me crazy, but I am not yet so cynical as to believe that I cannot with my actions make any difference in the world. To be clear, the problem is not so much Eich "hating the gays" as it is him collecting a ~7 figure salary and funneling money from that into right wing causes that hurt people in the real world. Do you sincerely believe that your existence is a net negative to the world as a whole? Have you internalized that belief? I would quite literally not be able to live with myself if I believed that. I try to minimize the negative impacts my consumption has on others as far as I can. It's not about "cancellation", because that's become a stupid meme and lost any meaning it had, it's about being careful abut what I consume. I don't, for example, buy anything from Nestle. > Nobody in our first world capitalist bubble is blameless, we are all fat and happy off the exploitation of the weak, so to get on a moral high horse against the inventor of JavaScript is laughable. Just chill out and drink your Starbucks and keep those sweet rent checks rolling in. This is, at the end of the day, just pure cynicism.

PraetorianGourd 5y ago
> I don't, for example, buy anything from Nestle. Cool. But that isn’t really that cool. That one is easy. What makes you okay with buying products from Apple but not from Nestle? Is it that Nestle has enough competition that it’s a low cost protest? Is it that Apple is hurting people far away from you while Nestle is exploiting your more local environment? What would it take to make you buy from Nestle again? If they somehow bought Apple’s laptop division? Having no beliefs is more laudable than people who act on only the convenient beliefs.
- micromacrofoot 5y ago
  > Having no beliefs is more laudable than people who act on only the convenient beliefs. what? laudable by whom? sure it’s lazy to only act on convenient beliefs, but it’s certainly more interesting than doing literally nothing if my one belief is to cut those little six-pack pop rings before putting them in the trash to benefit sea turtles… how is not doing that laudable? because someone told you it’s cool to not care about anything?