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You can turn off the Brave Rewards if you don't want them. If you want to cut off your access to technologies because the man who invented them doesn't meet yo

You can turn off the Brave Rewards if you don't want them. If you want to cut off your access to technologies because the man who invented them doesn't meet your puritanical world-view then you should also disable JavaScript since Brendan Eich invented JavaScript. As a gay man I could give two shits about his opinion on gay marriage. In my opinion marriage is inherently a religious institution and the state has no business regulating it whatsoever. From the state's standpoint any combination of genders should be considered a civil union for taxation purposes and if you want to have your union blessed by the religion of your choice, go ahead. They can call it marriage, they can call it a ham sandwich. "Gay marriage" shouldn't legally exist because neither should "marriage." But nuance doesn't exist in a world of anger-driven online lynch mobs.

micromacrofoot 5y ago
You're calling equal rights for gay people puritanical? You're playing a lot of mental gymnastics here. Eich isn't anti-marriage, he specifically supported excluding gay people from marriage. He gave money to one of the most vocal prop 8 supporters and a group that fund-raised on prop 8 specifically. Where's the nuance?
- soundnote 5y ago
  No. What he's calling puritanical is an attitude where you won't touch things made by people who disagree with you on something. What your position on gay marriage is is largely irrelevant.
  - henriquez 5y ago
    Exactly.
  - micromacrofoot 5y ago
    I'm sorry, am I not supposed to be able to "vote with my wallet"? If someone says "hey the guy that runs this company doesn't think you should be treated the same as others because of your sexual preference" I should ignore that because "who cares"? I'm just not sure what the counter-argument is here... it sounds like "everything and everyone sucks, and you suck too, so stop paying attention and trying to improve anything"
    - soundnote 5y ago
      > I'm sorry, am I not supposed to be able to "vote with my wallet"? Well, yes. But there's another angle as to what you vote for with it. Voting for the creator's politics is one angle, but there's another one. Whether the creator puts politics into their product. One of the main reasons I use Brave is because it doesn't do politics outside what matters for a browser. Eich may think whatever the fuck he wants, his team the same. But they seem very focused on building a privacy-respecting browser and standalone Internet services. I don't get politics outside privacy, user control and independent web services pushed to me by Brave. The politics that are there matter to a browser, and the stuff that's outside that scope is left as the people's own prerogative. The team at Vivaldi definitely has people who disagree with Eich. I like them too, why? Because they also keep browser-making and their politics separate, and "politics" in their context mostly translates to user control and privacy, as it does at Brave. Both teams understand that they're there to make a tool, and that's it. I know I'll disagree on weighty matters by people making both products, but as far the browser matters, we all agree. Mozilla is just the reverse: It's about activism first, a browser second, and they are not shy about inserting their extraneous politics into the browser. We're more and more into a culture where everything under the Sun has to preach some sort of politics, and it usually detracts from making an actually good product, in my experience. I like to support organizations that focus on making good hammers and leave the politics to the parts of life where they belong. Life is far more civil that way.
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- henriquez 5y ago
  I’m not saying I agree with Brendan Eich’s opinions. I’m saying I don’t care what his opinions are. Prop 8 was dumb and I voted against it but I can respect and understand why people _did_ vote for it. It doesn’t make people _heretics_ to have a political disagreement. You could cancel Brave because you think Eich hates the gays. You could cancel Apple because their phones are made in sweatshop conditions that drive workers to mass suicide. Cancel electric cars because the cobalt batteries are mined by African children who die of exposure. Cance Nike because despite their woke posturing they use sweatshops too. Don’t wear clothes because the factories collapse etc. Nobody in our first world capitalist bubble is blameless, we are all fat and happy off the exploitation of the weak, so to get on a moral high horse against the inventor of JavaScript is laughable. Just chill out and drink your Starbucks and keep those sweet rent checks rolling in.
  - micromacrofoot 5y ago
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      - micromacrofoot 5y ago
        No one suggested ostracizing Eich... just not supporting his company. I'm sorry this makes you so angry. Maybe you have a convincing point to make, but the way you're trying to make it will be lost on anyone that doesn't already agree with you.
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        meragrin_ 5y ago
        Boycotting anything he is involved is not ostracizing?
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PascLeRasc 5y ago
Thanks for the tip. Firefox is running a lot faster with Javascript disabled.
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Karunamon 5y ago
>You can turn off the Brave Rewards if you don't want them. You've got that precisely backwards. You have to explicitly enable that feature if you want it.
- henriquez 5y ago
  lol even better. I've just had it on so long I forgot. The BAT coins just automatically go out to the sites I spend time on.
timeon 5y ago
> COVID conspiracy theorist vs > your puritanical world-view

micromacrofoot 5y ago

You're calling equal rights for gay people puritanical? You're playing a lot of mental gymnastics here. Eich isn't anti-marriage, he specifically supported excluding gay people from marriage. He gave money to one of the most vocal prop 8 supporters and a group that fund-raised on prop 8 specifically. Where's the nuance?

soundnote 5y ago
No. What he's calling puritanical is an attitude where you won't touch things made by people who disagree with you on something. What your position on gay marriage is is largely irrelevant.
- henriquez 5y ago
  Exactly.
- micromacrofoot 5y ago
  I'm sorry, am I not supposed to be able to "vote with my wallet"? If someone says "hey the guy that runs this company doesn't think you should be treated the same as others because of your sexual preference" I should ignore that because "who cares"? I'm just not sure what the counter-argument is here... it sounds like "everything and everyone sucks, and you suck too, so stop paying attention and trying to improve anything"
  - soundnote 5y ago
    > I'm sorry, am I not supposed to be able to "vote with my wallet"? Well, yes. But there's another angle as to what you vote for with it. Voting for the creator's politics is one angle, but there's another one. Whether the creator puts politics into their product. One of the main reasons I use Brave is because it doesn't do politics outside what matters for a browser. Eich may think whatever the fuck he wants, his team the same. But they seem very focused on building a privacy-respecting browser and standalone Internet services. I don't get politics outside privacy, user control and independent web services pushed to me by Brave. The politics that are there matter to a browser, and the stuff that's outside that scope is left as the people's own prerogative. The team at Vivaldi definitely has people who disagree with Eich. I like them too, why? Because they also keep browser-making and their politics separate, and "politics" in their context mostly translates to user control and privacy, as it does at Brave. Both teams understand that they're there to make a tool, and that's it. I know I'll disagree on weighty matters by people making both products, but as far the browser matters, we all agree. Mozilla is just the reverse: It's about activism first, a browser second, and they are not shy about inserting their extraneous politics into the browser. We're more and more into a culture where everything under the Sun has to preach some sort of politics, and it usually detracts from making an actually good product, in my experience. I like to support organizations that focus on making good hammers and leave the politics to the parts of life where they belong. Life is far more civil that way.
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henriquez 5y ago
I’m not saying I agree with Brendan Eich’s opinions. I’m saying I don’t care what his opinions are. Prop 8 was dumb and I voted against it but I can respect and understand why people _did_ vote for it. It doesn’t make people _heretics_ to have a political disagreement. You could cancel Brave because you think Eich hates the gays. You could cancel Apple because their phones are made in sweatshop conditions that drive workers to mass suicide. Cancel electric cars because the cobalt batteries are mined by African children who die of exposure. Cance Nike because despite their woke posturing they use sweatshops too. Don’t wear clothes because the factories collapse etc. Nobody in our first world capitalist bubble is blameless, we are all fat and happy off the exploitation of the weak, so to get on a moral high horse against the inventor of JavaScript is laughable. Just chill out and drink your Starbucks and keep those sweet rent checks rolling in.
- micromacrofoot 5y ago
  - henriquez 5y ago
    - micromacrofoot 5y ago
      No one suggested ostracizing Eich... just not supporting his company. I'm sorry this makes you so angry. Maybe you have a convincing point to make, but the way you're trying to make it will be lost on anyone that doesn't already agree with you.
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      - meragrin_ 5y ago
        Boycotting anything he is involved is not ostracizing?
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throwawayciv651 5y ago

PascLeRasc 5y ago

Thanks for the tip. Firefox is running a lot faster with Javascript disabled.

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Karunamon 5y ago

>You can turn off the Brave Rewards if you don't want them. You've got that precisely backwards. You have to explicitly enable that feature if you want it.

henriquez 5y ago
lol even better. I've just had it on so long I forgot. The BAT coins just automatically go out to the sites I spend time on.

timeon 5y ago

> COVID conspiracy theorist vs > your puritanical world-view