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(Render founder) thanks for the mention. We have 50+ person companies running entirely on Render with zero devops engineers. The point at which you need to eval

by anurag 5y ago

(Render founder) thanks for the mention. We have 50+ person companies running entirely on Render with zero devops engineers. The point at which you need to evaluate options is a lot further out than you'd expect (and continues to disappear into the distance).

snerual 5y ago
Hi Founder, I've been wanting to use render for a long time now at our startup, but last time I looked at your GDPR info it was lacking. We sell to public education institutes in the EU, so it is a make or break for us. We might not be your target customer in that case, but otherwise I would love to hear what is possible.
- anurag 5y ago
  We already sign DPAs, but expect to see more public information on GDPR later this year.
eropple 5y ago
Hey dude. I've been very happy with the day-job stuff we run in Render, that's why I mentioned it. ;) If (devops hat on) you want baseline compute/storage, I think I could see running on Render long-term. Where I (speaking personally) get off the ride is when I start needing external stuff, and that's usually pronounced "AWS services". Stuff like SQS and SNS are still The Killer App for AWS for me, and while I was poking at Render for my most recent personal project, it was easier to put compute and data storage into Fargate/RDS and not have to think about multiple control planes. A seamless, please-not-Terraform way to cross-manage Render resources with other cloud options would be pretty killer. (Which is directly in tension with the discussions of simplicity here. Turns out cloud stuff is hard.)
- anurag 5y ago
  Completely agreed on building/offering higher-level services like SQS, SNS, S3. We're only at ~10% of where I want the platform to be, which is also why we're hiring quite aggressively!
samhw 5y ago
Heya, sorry for the delayed response (naturally, this being HN, I didn't catch your reply, and you probably won't catch mine, haha). Thanks very much for the personal message. I'll set up a personal account and give it a spin. My company is a bit more nonchalant about vendor lock-in than I am, and so we're relying on certain AWS services for certain things, but we're also flexible and I'd be very keen to move some stuff onto a service like this. On a more general note, I really hope you succeed. I believe 95% of developers just want to be able to: - sign up - get a machine with an IP(v4) addr - [wanted/needed but not expected] have some help setting up / hooking up DNS + TLS - get their application onto it somehow (in order of sophistication: 1: drag-a-folder, 2: shell access to use scp/rsync, 3: GitOps w/ a helpful flow) - get it running and keep it running - have some basic monitoring and alerting capacities - have a sense of assurance that it's 'secure' (I know, this word is as meaningless as 'performant' without further qualification, but that doesn't matter) I think you could get so far with a "sane defaults, maximally configurable if you wish" model. You may not support computational genomics or FPGA-assisted currency trading, but you can win 100x on UX by not having to play Twister trying to accommodate the long tail of niche users. The only other bit of vague and cloudy fortune cookie advice I have to offer is: an escape hatch is so important. It's somehow reassuring to know that, if I want to do [thing I can do on AWS but not on Render], that there's some way - however fiddly - for me to connect the two, or replicate that thing. (Being necessarily vague here because I don't have anything particular in mind.) Anyway - really appreciate your reply, and really appreciate your serving this market. (And please don't offer any credits or anything like that - I know it's common in these threads, but I'm really not fishing for that. We have a fuck ton of VC cash to spend, and I believe in sampling the pricing in the exact same way that I'd be sampling the functionality.)

by anurag 5y ago

snerual 5y ago

Hi Founder, I've been wanting to use render for a long time now at our startup, but last time I looked at your GDPR info it was lacking. We sell to public education institutes in the EU, so it is a make or break for us. We might not be your target customer in that case, but otherwise I would love to hear what is possible.

anurag 5y ago
We already sign DPAs, but expect to see more public information on GDPR later this year.

eropple 5y ago

Hey dude. I've been very happy with the day-job stuff we run in Render, that's why I mentioned it. ;) If (devops hat on) you want baseline compute/storage, I think I could see running on Render long-term. Where I (speaking personally) get off the ride is when I start needing external stuff, and that's usually pronounced "AWS services". Stuff like SQS and SNS are still The Killer App for AWS for me, and while I was poking at Render for my most recent personal project, it was easier to put compute and data storage into Fargate/RDS and not have to think about multiple control planes. A seamless, please-not-Terraform way to cross-manage Render resources with other cloud options would be pretty killer. (Which is directly in tension with the discussions of simplicity here. Turns out cloud stuff is hard.)

anurag 5y ago
Completely agreed on building/offering higher-level services like SQS, SNS, S3. We're only at ~10% of where I want the platform to be, which is also why we're hiring quite aggressively!

samhw 5y ago

Heya, sorry for the delayed response (naturally, this being HN, I didn't catch your reply, and you probably won't catch mine, haha). Thanks very much for the personal message. I'll set up a personal account and give it a spin. My company is a bit more nonchalant about vendor lock-in than I am, and so we're relying on certain AWS services for certain things, but we're also flexible and I'd be very keen to move some stuff onto a service like this. On a more general note, I really hope you succeed. I believe 95% of developers just want to be able to: - sign up - get a machine with an IP(v4) addr - [wanted/needed but not expected] have some help setting up / hooking up DNS + TLS - get their application onto it somehow (in order of sophistication: 1: drag-a-folder, 2: shell access to use scp/rsync, 3: GitOps w/ a helpful flow) - get it running and keep it running - have some basic monitoring and alerting capacities - have a sense of assurance that it's 'secure' (I know, this word is as meaningless as 'performant' without further qualification, but that doesn't matter) I think you could get so far with a "sane defaults, maximally configurable if you wish" model. You may not support computational genomics or FPGA-assisted currency trading, but you can win 100x on UX by not having to play Twister trying to accommodate the long tail of niche users. The only other bit of vague and cloudy fortune cookie advice I have to offer is: an escape hatch is so important. It's somehow reassuring to know that, if I want to do [thing I can do on AWS but not on Render], that there's some way - however fiddly - for me to connect the two, or replicate that thing. (Being necessarily vague here because I don't have anything particular in mind.) Anyway - really appreciate your reply, and really appreciate your serving this market. (And please don't offer any credits or anything like that - I know it's common in these threads, but I'm really not fishing for that. We have a fuck ton of VC cash to spend, and I believe in sampling the pricing in the exact same way that I'd be sampling the functionality.)