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No they don't want to force anyone and there's no evidence of this. Just because there are a lot of evangelists doesn't mean anyone is forced to do anything

ceejayoz 5y ago
There's plenty of evidence of this; there are proposals to move house deeds, drivers' licenses, elections, etc. onto the blockchain. These wouldn't be "oh, you can just not participate" sorts of scenarios.
- kyruzic 5y ago
  A blockchain is not web3 or crypto.
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman The Venn diagram of web3, cryptocurrency, and blockchain proponents is substantially similar to a circle.
    - kyruzic 5y ago
      No it really is not, but nice try and great meme!
      - jakelazaroff 5y ago
        Can you give an example of web3 tech that doesn't involve a blockchain in any way?
        kyruzic 5y ago
        Do you understand how a venn diagram works? I can give you plenty of examples of blockchains that are unrelated to cryptocurrency, any corporate run block chain. And examples of blockchains unrelated to web3, bitcoin is a well known example of this.
        jakelazaroff 5y ago
        I'm not asking about that. I'm asking about the converse. If corporations want to waste their money on an internal blockchain, that's fine; it doesn't affect me. But we're talking about people evangelizing this technology to precipitate large-scale societal change, which is focused on the intersection of cryptocurrencies, blockchain and "web3".
        kyruzic 5y ago
        No we are talking about how web3, blockchain, and cryptocurrencies are all separate yet related ideas. You are saying they are equivalent.
  - andybp85 5y ago
    web3 is explicitly, 100% blockchain: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web3
    - kyruzic 5y ago
      I said a blockchain is not web3. Not web3 is not a blockchain. Bitcoin is a blockchain, bitcoin is not web3.
  - ironyholder 5y ago
    Well, until there's a better way to have some kind of token or currency, blockchains will be part of web3. Lack of incentives is why the first wave of open protocol design fizzled out, which is why they're so important this time around. The way it's shaping up, improper or overzealous incentives will be the undoing of the second wave, but that movie has yet to play out.
lkrubner 5y ago
"no evidence of this" is too strong of a claim. The folks who argue that fiat currency is dead, or should be dead, are implying they want a world where fiat currency disappears and then cryptocurrency emerges as the replacement. In that scenario, it is correct to say that some people are trying to force crypto on the rest of the world.
- fallingknife 5y ago
  That's like saying people who said that the telegraph is dead, and will be replaced by the telephone, were trying to force telephones on people.
  - jakelazaroff 5y ago
    Crypto people aren't neutral observers simply predicting it will replace fiat, though. They are actively working to make that true. This is not an inevitable future for our society; if it happens, it will be because of activism from powerful people who stand to benefit.
  - lkrubner 5y ago
    Your comment only makes sense if the telegram was run by a government monopoly, since fiat currency is a government monopoly, and then if people were advocating for the government to close its telegram monopoly, then yes, those people could be said to be forcing telephones on people.
giaour 5y ago
El Salvador tried to force its residents to participate. The country's bitcoin law stipulates that "[e]very economic agent must accept bitcoin as payment": https://mobile.twitter.com/nayibbukele/status/1402446890466217985 https://mobile.twitter.com/nayibbukele/status/14024468904662... Predictably, this element of the law was not well received and is not being enforced after large scale protests
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monktastic1 5y ago
Force is a spectrum. Even a gun to the head isn't a force: you could just accept the bullet, after all.

ceejayoz 5y ago

There's plenty of evidence of this; there are proposals to move house deeds, drivers' licenses, elections, etc. onto the blockchain. These wouldn't be "oh, you can just not participate" sorts of scenarios.

kyruzic 5y ago
A blockchain is not web3 or crypto.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman The Venn diagram of web3, cryptocurrency, and blockchain proponents is substantially similar to a circle.
  - kyruzic 5y ago
    No it really is not, but nice try and great meme!
    - jakelazaroff 5y ago
      Can you give an example of web3 tech that doesn't involve a blockchain in any way?
      - kyruzic 5y ago
        Do you understand how a venn diagram works? I can give you plenty of examples of blockchains that are unrelated to cryptocurrency, any corporate run block chain. And examples of blockchains unrelated to web3, bitcoin is a well known example of this.
        jakelazaroff 5y ago
        I'm not asking about that. I'm asking about the converse. If corporations want to waste their money on an internal blockchain, that's fine; it doesn't affect me. But we're talking about people evangelizing this technology to precipitate large-scale societal change, which is focused on the intersection of cryptocurrencies, blockchain and "web3".
        kyruzic 5y ago
        No we are talking about how web3, blockchain, and cryptocurrencies are all separate yet related ideas. You are saying they are equivalent.
- andybp85 5y ago
  web3 is explicitly, 100% blockchain: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web3
  - kyruzic 5y ago
    I said a blockchain is not web3. Not web3 is not a blockchain. Bitcoin is a blockchain, bitcoin is not web3.
- ironyholder 5y ago
  Well, until there's a better way to have some kind of token or currency, blockchains will be part of web3. Lack of incentives is why the first wave of open protocol design fizzled out, which is why they're so important this time around. The way it's shaping up, improper or overzealous incentives will be the undoing of the second wave, but that movie has yet to play out.

lkrubner 5y ago

"no evidence of this" is too strong of a claim. The folks who argue that fiat currency is dead, or should be dead, are implying they want a world where fiat currency disappears and then cryptocurrency emerges as the replacement. In that scenario, it is correct to say that some people are trying to force crypto on the rest of the world.

fallingknife 5y ago
That's like saying people who said that the telegraph is dead, and will be replaced by the telephone, were trying to force telephones on people.
- jakelazaroff 5y ago
  Crypto people aren't neutral observers simply predicting it will replace fiat, though. They are actively working to make that true. This is not an inevitable future for our society; if it happens, it will be because of activism from powerful people who stand to benefit.
- lkrubner 5y ago
  Your comment only makes sense if the telegram was run by a government monopoly, since fiat currency is a government monopoly, and then if people were advocating for the government to close its telegram monopoly, then yes, those people could be said to be forcing telephones on people.

giaour 5y ago

El Salvador tried to force its residents to participate. The country's bitcoin law stipulates that "[e]very economic agent must accept bitcoin as payment": https://mobile.twitter.com/nayibbukele/status/1402446890466217985 https://mobile.twitter.com/nayibbukele/status/14024468904662... Predictably, this element of the law was not well received and is not being enforced after large scale protests

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monktastic1 5y ago

Force is a spectrum. Even a gun to the head isn't a force: you could just accept the bullet, after all.