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by moate 5y ago

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autoexec 5y ago
That pretty much sums up what I've seen so far. A lot of differing ideas about what defending the police means where the most extreme voices (abolish the police for example) offer zero explanations on how a society can get by without any law enforcement or why their alternatives would fair any better while more moderate takes deal solidly with reforming the system that we have. I do get the frustrations expressed by those taking the more extreme view, but it comes off as more of an emotional outburst than a path forward. It's understandable to be frustrated and outraged enough to want to abolish policing entirely at this point, but it's also not constructive or helpful. The good thing is that everybody is pretty clear on what the problems are, but I fear that those seeking radical/counterproductive changes to society like getting rid of police entirely will hold back the rest of us either by rejecting anything that doesn't burn the justice system to the ground, or by convincing others that there's no hope in reformation of what we have today while offering no actual solutions leading people to feel helpless and defeated at a time when the message people need is "Change is possible and necessary, we just need to insist on it and work to make it happen"

by moate 5y ago

autoexec 5y ago

That pretty much sums up what I've seen so far. A lot of differing ideas about what defending the police means where the most extreme voices (abolish the police for example) offer zero explanations on how a society can get by without any law enforcement or why their alternatives would fair any better while more moderate takes deal solidly with reforming the system that we have. I do get the frustrations expressed by those taking the more extreme view, but it comes off as more of an emotional outburst than a path forward. It's understandable to be frustrated and outraged enough to want to abolish policing entirely at this point, but it's also not constructive or helpful. The good thing is that everybody is pretty clear on what the problems are, but I fear that those seeking radical/counterproductive changes to society like getting rid of police entirely will hold back the rest of us either by rejecting anything that doesn't burn the justice system to the ground, or by convincing others that there's no hope in reformation of what we have today while offering no actual solutions leading people to feel helpless and defeated at a time when the message people need is "Change is possible and necessary, we just need to insist on it and work to make it happen"