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> Also, do not equate Chechnya, Georgia and Crimea. Of course you can equate. Russia has a history of supporting separatists immediately outside of their borde
by fer 5y ago
> Also, do not equate Chechnya, Georgia and Crimea.
Of course you can equate. Russia has a history of supporting separatists immediately outside of their borders, while cracking them down when they're just across inside. You can directly compare their completely opposed stances in North and South Ossetia.
Russia created what I call Schrodinger's jihadists: you can't know if someone is a terrorist or a freedom fighter until you observe on which side of the border they are and the threat function collapses. Basayev in Abkhazia? Good. Basayev in Chechnya? Bad.
- Andrew_nenakhov 5y agoLast time a southern region where a slavery was practiced wanted to secede from the USA, Lincoln went to a civil war to stop them. Chechnya is also a southern region where slavery is practiced which wanted to secede, so equating these is quite sensible. Why do you equate such conflicts with conflicts between different nations is hard for me to understand. As for completely opposing stances, that's politics for you. Ever wondered how certain member of Bin Laden family came to prominence?
- fer 5y agoWe're not talking about USA.
- Andrew_nenakhov 5y agoEver heard about analogies? This one is pretty direct here.
- fer 5y agoComparing a: • Pre-industrial society with widespread slavery, with most of the agricultural production of the union, trying to secede because they don't like the new rules. Against a: • Turn-of-the-21st-century, religiously-motivated, terrorism-mediated secession with testimonial cases of slavery in a tiny post-industrial subject of the Russian Federation (and the poorest of them all). Is not only wild, but also a gigantic tu quoque, especially when you have plenty of analogies right there in the Caucasus: Abkhazian independence good, Dagestani bad; South Ossetian independence good, Ingushetian bad. That's reality of Russia saying and doing the opposite immediately inside/outside of their borders.
- Andrew_nenakhov 5y agoThing is, both are part of a larger state. I'm not supporting Putin's politics, but there is a very clear distinction between internal and foreign conflicts. US civil war and Chechnya secession wars are both of the former type, and in that regard they are very similar, and widespread slavery in Chechnya makes this comparison even more vivid. As for "X good, Y bad", every conflict in history is rooted in different understanding of what's good and what's bad by different groups of people. For Georgia, Abhazian independence bad, for Russia, Dagestan independence bad, as they both claim soverenity over these respective territories. I don't understand why are you talking about it in such grandstanding fashion, it is not some groundbreaking news. So no, you can't equate internal Chechnya wars with international conflicts like Crimea and Georgia. These are two very different conflicts with very different reasons.