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> We sent warships to practice military war games right off Russia's coast in the black sea. Eastern European NATO members are concerned they could be next (IM

> We sent warships to practice military war games right off Russia's coast in the black sea. Eastern European NATO members are concerned they could be next (IMO rightfully), so after what Trump had been doing to NATO during his presidency Biden obviously wants to reassure his partners. > We instructed embassy family in Ukraine to head back to the state to prep for a Russian invasion. Yes. And? > saying the US will defend Ukraine if Russia invades Source? He said straight up that US will not send any troops to defend Ukraine. > The U.S. has many allies and we don't wake up to a president calling enemy territory leaders killers and reaffirming we're game to go to war every few weeks for any other territory. This is a very obvious political move that I hope doesn't escalate, but Biden appears to be doing plenty to provoke conflict. Well, yes, countries like US, Russia, China, etc. need to maintain their strongman image for local electorate. IMO there are much simpler and straightforward ways for him to start a war with Russia, if he would be crazy enough to seek such a thing.

toolz 5y ago
It's always bewildering that someone defending Biden always has to bring up Trump. > Eastern European NATO members are concerned they could be next could be next...what? Do you recall what happened in 2008 with Georgia? This is literally straight from Russia's playbook. They stationed war games at Georgia's borders, tensions heightened, shots were fired, Russia claimed they were fired on first. Now Russia occupies parts of Georgia. This is exactly what wargames at their borders threatens. It's disgusting and absolutely should be universally reprimanded to post up warships to do war games outside of high political tension areas. > Source? He said straight up that US will not send any troops to defend Ukraine. Incorrect he said that sending troops to act unilaterally against Russia was not on the table. If you actually listen to the press conference you're referencing then you'd realize this was not a promise to never send troops - quite the opposite. Source for Biden repeatedly saying Russia will pay a price for Ukraine invasion? There are numerous, but here's him proudly admitting to calling Putin a soulless killer to his face and promising he'll pay a price shortly. This is the opposite of diplomacy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPtmXikBWrQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPtmXikBWrQ
- caskstrength 5y ago
  > It's always bewildering that someone defending Biden always has to bring up Trump. Hey, I'm not from US so I can allow myself to do unthinkable thing by your standards - I dislike both of them! With this, I don't think we need to steer the conversation into Trump vs Biden. However, I do think that some of Trump's comments regarding NATO were quite chilling for Eastern European NATO members. > could be next...what? Do you recall what happened in 2008 with Georgia? This is literally straight from Russia's playbook. They stationed war games at Georgia's borders, tensions heightened, shots were fired, Russia claimed they were fired on first. Now Russia occupies parts of Georgia. This is exactly what wargames at their borders threatens. It's disgusting and absolutely should be universally reprimanded to post up warships to do war games outside of high political tension areas. You seem to have very unorthodox view of the events. This is first time I hear that it was actually NATO troops who fired at Russians while being at Georgian territory under pretext of wargames, if that is what you are saying. To save everyone the click, here is relevant excerpt from Wikipedia (which might or might not come from biased sources, I'm not from Georgia to claim either): The Republic of Georgia declared its independence in early 1991 as the Soviet Union began to fall apart. Amidst this backdrop, a war between Georgia and separatists left parts of the former South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast under the de facto control of Russian-backed but internationally unrecognised separatists. Following the war, a joint peacekeeping force of Georgian, Russian, and Ossetian troops was stationed in the territory. A similar stalemate developed in the region of Abkhazia, where Abkhaz separatists had waged war in 1992–1993. Following the election of Vladimir Putin in Russia in 2000 and a pro-Western change of power in Georgia in 2003, relations between Russia and Georgia began to deteriorate, reaching a full diplomatic crisis by April 2008. On 1 August 2008, South Ossetian separatists started shelling Georgian villages, with a sporadic response from Georgian peacekeepers in the area.[32][33][34][35][36] > Incorrect he said that sending troops to act unilaterally against Russia was not on the table. If you actually listen to the press conference you're referencing then you'd realize this was not a promise to never send troops - quite the opposite. So you concede that Biden never actually said he will send any troops to Ukraine? > Source for Biden repeatedly saying Russia will pay a price for Ukraine invasion? He repeatedly said the price will be economical (joint sanction package together with EU).
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toolz 5y ago

It's always bewildering that someone defending Biden always has to bring up Trump. > Eastern European NATO members are concerned they could be next could be next...what? Do you recall what happened in 2008 with Georgia? This is literally straight from Russia's playbook. They stationed war games at Georgia's borders, tensions heightened, shots were fired, Russia claimed they were fired on first. Now Russia occupies parts of Georgia. This is exactly what wargames at their borders threatens. It's disgusting and absolutely should be universally reprimanded to post up warships to do war games outside of high political tension areas. > Source? He said straight up that US will not send any troops to defend Ukraine. Incorrect he said that sending troops to act unilaterally against Russia was not on the table. If you actually listen to the press conference you're referencing then you'd realize this was not a promise to never send troops - quite the opposite. Source for Biden repeatedly saying Russia will pay a price for Ukraine invasion? There are numerous, but here's him proudly admitting to calling Putin a soulless killer to his face and promising he'll pay a price shortly. This is the opposite of diplomacy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPtmXikBWrQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPtmXikBWrQ

caskstrength 5y ago
> It's always bewildering that someone defending Biden always has to bring up Trump. Hey, I'm not from US so I can allow myself to do unthinkable thing by your standards - I dislike both of them! With this, I don't think we need to steer the conversation into Trump vs Biden. However, I do think that some of Trump's comments regarding NATO were quite chilling for Eastern European NATO members. > could be next...what? Do you recall what happened in 2008 with Georgia? This is literally straight from Russia's playbook. They stationed war games at Georgia's borders, tensions heightened, shots were fired, Russia claimed they were fired on first. Now Russia occupies parts of Georgia. This is exactly what wargames at their borders threatens. It's disgusting and absolutely should be universally reprimanded to post up warships to do war games outside of high political tension areas. You seem to have very unorthodox view of the events. This is first time I hear that it was actually NATO troops who fired at Russians while being at Georgian territory under pretext of wargames, if that is what you are saying. To save everyone the click, here is relevant excerpt from Wikipedia (which might or might not come from biased sources, I'm not from Georgia to claim either): The Republic of Georgia declared its independence in early 1991 as the Soviet Union began to fall apart. Amidst this backdrop, a war between Georgia and separatists left parts of the former South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast under the de facto control of Russian-backed but internationally unrecognised separatists. Following the war, a joint peacekeeping force of Georgian, Russian, and Ossetian troops was stationed in the territory. A similar stalemate developed in the region of Abkhazia, where Abkhaz separatists had waged war in 1992–1993. Following the election of Vladimir Putin in Russia in 2000 and a pro-Western change of power in Georgia in 2003, relations between Russia and Georgia began to deteriorate, reaching a full diplomatic crisis by April 2008. On 1 August 2008, South Ossetian separatists started shelling Georgian villages, with a sporadic response from Georgian peacekeepers in the area.[32][33][34][35][36] > Incorrect he said that sending troops to act unilaterally against Russia was not on the table. If you actually listen to the press conference you're referencing then you'd realize this was not a promise to never send troops - quite the opposite. So you concede that Biden never actually said he will send any troops to Ukraine? > Source for Biden repeatedly saying Russia will pay a price for Ukraine invasion? He repeatedly said the price will be economical (joint sanction package together with EU).
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