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> Here’s a good explanation: As an American living in Ukraine, I can say that that the guy in the video obviously don't know Ukraine he's talking about. He st
by deepsun 5y ago
> Here’s a good explanation:
As an American living in Ukraine, I can say that that the guy in the video obviously don't know Ukraine he's talking about.
He starts off from NATO expansion and Russian position on that. But little did he know that before 2014 (Crimea and Easter Ukraine war), no one here seriously thought of NATO. Russia was the biggest economical partner. NATO was considered no-quite-friendly entity, composed of foreigners, why joining?
Everything turned upside down after 2014 -- Russia basically pushed Ukraine into NATO (although NATO made it clear they don't see Ukraine as their member as well, their idea is to increase members safety, not decrease it).
If Russia didn't annex Crimea, it would be simply impossible.
Also he is wrong on how Russia quickly moved to Crimea in 2014. He is unaware that preparation for annexation began in 2011 (working with local governments and municipalities), it wasn't quick, it was planned (very well planned to tell the truth), and everyone here knows that.
- ivan_gammel 5y agoI do not know what is your circle of friends and partners and how engaged they were in politics, but NATO summit did actually happen in 2008, and Ukraine would not be mentioned there if it would not ask about membership. That was few years after the Orange Revolution and country leadership was indeed pro-Western back then. They lost the next elections to Yanukovich, so nobody bothered about this topic until 2013-2014. Since you are living there, you know that Ukraine was a divided country, and it really depended on which bubble you belonged to.
- ivan_gammel 5y agoAlso, do you have any evidence for “preparation of annexation” that goes beyond strengthening economic and cultural ties?