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> Because of a thing called NATO, look it up That doesn't explain it. Is any of the NATO countries under threat?

raverbashing 5y ago
I'm sure that marine and airspace incursions by russian craft are just happy accidents... I'm sure Putin's veiled (or explicit) threats against NATO countries (and Google has plenty of these) are just him being humorous Also the cyberattacks (some by Russian gov. APTs, some by entites tolerated by the gov) are just inoccent as well. Not to forget the Internet Research Agency.
- guerrilla 5y ago
  > I'm sure that marine and airspace incursions by russian craft are just happy accidents... These have been happening regularly (literally monthly) since World War 2 and has noyhing to do with what's going on now and explains absolutely nothing.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  > I'm sure that marine and airspace incursions by russian craft are just happy accidents... "Incursion" is a very misleading term for these and I wish the press would stop parroting it (including with regards to China/Taiwan). Russia's flying planes into the ADIZ, not the 12 mile limit as recognized by international treaties. It's international airspace; ADIZs don't exist in international law; the US made the first one up out of thin air and others followed. We fly close to the Russian and Chinese coasts, well within their own air defense zones, on a daily basis. We also deliberately sail ships within China's declared territories; we just like to call them "freedom of navigation operations" when that happens instead of "incursions" when others do it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FONOPs_during_the_Obama_Administration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FONOPs_during_the_Obama_Admini...
soco 5y ago
As mentioned in other comments, Russia has specifically asked for NATO forces to leave Romania and Bulgaria - both which are NATO (and EU) members.
- azangru 5y ago
  Sure; it asked, and got a resolute no in response. Does this mean that someone expects Russia to attack Romania or Bulgaria?
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    It means this is absolutely about NATO, even if it's not yet directly involving one of the member nations. See also: Russia's current demands over Ukraine including "never let them join NATO". If a bully stood next to someone they'd previously beat up, glared at me, and told me "I'll leave them alone if you promise not to be their friend, forever, no matter what", what would you interpret is going on?
alkonaut 5y ago
Yes. Look at movement in Belarus (next to the Baltic states). This is the most threatening it’s been for 30 years.
jopsen 5y ago
> That doesn't explain it. Is any of the NATO countries under threat? The defense analysis in 2014 was that unless NATO did some posturing and demonstrated it's commitment to defense of Baltic member countries, then yes, Russia might one day try to attack one of them. Afaik, what NATO is doing is largely the equivalent of a gorilla beating its chest. Compared to war, it's pretty cheap to rotate some troops throy Baltic member countries.

I'm sure that marine and airspace incursions by russian craft are just happy accidents... I'm sure Putin's veiled (or explicit) threats against NATO countries (and Google has plenty of these) are just him being humorous Also the cyberattacks (some by Russian gov. APTs, some by entites tolerated by the gov) are just inoccent as well. Not to forget the Internet Research Agency.

guerrilla 5y ago
> I'm sure that marine and airspace incursions by russian craft are just happy accidents... These have been happening regularly (literally monthly) since World War 2 and has noyhing to do with what's going on now and explains absolutely nothing.
ceejayoz 5y ago
> I'm sure that marine and airspace incursions by russian craft are just happy accidents... "Incursion" is a very misleading term for these and I wish the press would stop parroting it (including with regards to China/Taiwan). Russia's flying planes into the ADIZ, not the 12 mile limit as recognized by international treaties. It's international airspace; ADIZs don't exist in international law; the US made the first one up out of thin air and others followed. We fly close to the Russian and Chinese coasts, well within their own air defense zones, on a daily basis. We also deliberately sail ships within China's declared territories; we just like to call them "freedom of navigation operations" when that happens instead of "incursions" when others do it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FONOPs_during_the_Obama_Administration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FONOPs_during_the_Obama_Admini...

soco 5y ago

As mentioned in other comments, Russia has specifically asked for NATO forces to leave Romania and Bulgaria - both which are NATO (and EU) members.

azangru 5y ago
Sure; it asked, and got a resolute no in response. Does this mean that someone expects Russia to attack Romania or Bulgaria?
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  It means this is absolutely about NATO, even if it's not yet directly involving one of the member nations. See also: Russia's current demands over Ukraine including "never let them join NATO". If a bully stood next to someone they'd previously beat up, glared at me, and told me "I'll leave them alone if you promise not to be their friend, forever, no matter what", what would you interpret is going on?

alkonaut 5y ago

Yes. Look at movement in Belarus (next to the Baltic states). This is the most threatening it’s been for 30 years.

jopsen 5y ago

> That doesn't explain it. Is any of the NATO countries under threat? The defense analysis in 2014 was that unless NATO did some posturing and demonstrated it's commitment to defense of Baltic member countries, then yes, Russia might one day try to attack one of them. Afaik, what NATO is doing is largely the equivalent of a gorilla beating its chest. Compared to war, it's pretty cheap to rotate some troops throy Baltic member countries.