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German and French politicians have sold their soul to Gazprom. Nato cannot rely on these countries against Russian threat.
by sccxy 5y ago
German and French politicians have sold their soul to Gazprom.
Nato cannot rely on these countries against Russian threat.
- ivan_gammel 5y agoGermany and France are the NATO. Without us the alliance does not make sense and should not exist.
- egeozcan 5y ago> sold their soul to Gazprom Everyone should be better than falling for the cliche narratives like that. Politics is complicated, and everyone has their own definition of what a soul is.
- rcMgD2BwE72F 5y agoGerhard Schröder (Chancellor of Germany from 1998 to 2005) is chairman of the board of Nord Stream AG and of Rosneft, the largest energy Russian company. François Fillon (Prime Minister of France from 2007 to 2012) is a board member of SIBUR, the largest petrochemical Russian company.
- tpm 5y agoAnd Matthias Warnig, CEO of Nordstream, was an Stasi officer (that's an undisputed fact) and allegedly recruited by Putin himself to work for the Soviets/Russians.
- caskstrength 5y agoReally makes me curious where will Angela Merkel end up.
- odiroot 5y agoProbably at her mountain "villa", gardening.
- nivenkos 5y ago"Sold their soul" - have you seen European energy prices? Up 300% in the last 2 months. We cannot afford a war, it'd make the COVID crisis seem trivial. US interference (see the Burisma board, supporting gas tariffs and opposing Nord Stream 2) brings us to the brink of war - and, much like with the Middle Eastern refugees, Europe must pay the price for US imperialism yet again. It's painful to read so many American comments treating it like a game, when they have nothing to lose - safe thousands of kilometres away, and won't be affected by the energy prices, etc. either.
- sccxy 5y agoI'm in Eastern European Nato country. If you make your energy 100% dependant on Russian dictatator then you deserve those high energy prices. For you it is high energy prices, but for Ukraine it is life or death.
- medo-bear 5y agoI find it ridiculous that there are very vocal people in Eastern Europe who are so willing to go to war, and with Russia of all countries. Mind you, they want to go to war but they DEMAND that other NATO countries help them. US and UK, on the other hand, also have obvious economic interests in screwing up Russia and will not hesitate to sacrifice Western Europe's well-being to drive their interests. Also US has been behaving more and more in an Anglo-centric (as opposed to NATO-centric) way, which also raises concerns
- xdennis 5y agoPeople in eastern Europe aren't eager to go to war, we're just vocal about doing something because we know we're next after Ukraine. If war starts, the sanctions need to be painful, whereas Germany is like "we're okay with sanctions so long as they don't affect us in any way whatsoever at all".
- ivan_gammel 5y agoYou are not going to be next after Ukraine, that’s just irrational fear. Russia has no capabilities for invasion beyond ex-USSR borders (according to the assessment of DoD-affiliated American think tanks) and no incentives to invade Baltics. Baltic states are already in NATO, it’s a done deal and Russia got used to it long time ago. In any case existing NATO members have Article 5. Ukraine has not access to it yet.
- jopsen 5y agoI can't help think that it's a bit unfortunate that the US would be selling LNG, if sanctions result in the EU not buying Russian gas. > Nato cannot rely on these countries against Russian threat. I think that's a big stretch.