> If an engineer needs that much time you have a serious technical debt for setup of your software or a inexperienced or inept engineer. Everyone does somethin

> If an engineer needs that much time you have a serious technical debt for setup of your software or a inexperienced or inept engineer. Everyone does something for the first time once. Just because someone has not set up a hypervisor before doesn't mean they're inexperienced. > I can set up Proxmox VE as hyper visor, some container for each DBs, load balancer in front and some app in about an hour max from scratch, And I can spin up containers + load balancer on AWS in less than five minutes. That doesn't mean that it's just an easy thing to do. (although, this specific example is). > upfront setup and frequent maintenance is naturally something you need to price in. <...> the cloud offer may not really be your salvation and just delay the fall while costing all the more. Agreed 100% on both counts.